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His Last Vow » Sherlock's Pressure Points » February 21, 2014 4:32 am

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There are screen caps of those around: as I remember it they included John Watson, opium, redbeard, Moriary and Irene Adler, with 'see file' after the last 3.

There's at least one other.

Latest News » Sherlock could be back in time for Christmas » February 14, 2014 5:45 am

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Given that series 3 had more viewers in the UK than series 2 (and that had more than series 1) I doubt they're too worried atm.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Suspicious scenes from season 3. » February 13, 2014 10:00 am

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I was initially expecting something (tragic) to happen to prevent the baby appearing on screen, but on reflection I can see Moftiss rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of seeing what Sherlock would be like with a baby, so maybe it will happen.

His Last Vow » What did CAM say about Janine at the end? » February 4, 2014 3:45 am

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CAM said Janine had managed to keep her eye open once when he flicked it and that "she makes such funny noises" when he did so.   I also noticed the look on Sherlock's face when the camera cut to him but wasn't sure if that was about Janine or because Sherlock had heard the helicopter, which became obvious a second or so later.

Could have been both.

His Last Vow » Similarities to ASiB » January 28, 2014 8:37 pm

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A similar style - great wit, style and fun covering some enormous holes in logic.

His Last Vow » Sherlock's Mind Palace » January 25, 2014 11:03 pm

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Ozma wrote:

Why do you guys think John wasn't in his mind palace?

Swanpride wrote:

Because he is in his heart. ;-P

Also, the people who were actively helping him stay alive (Molly, Anderson, Mycroft) and who IMO represent the rational side of his mind were all part of the group who knew or believed him to still be alive after TRF.

I found Anderson's inclusion particularly interesting - Sherlock still doesn't seem to think that much of 
Anderson but he's clearly on Sherlock's side now and pretty much redefined himself by believing in Sherlock.

His Last Vow » Line-dancing in Oklahoma » January 25, 2014 10:38 pm

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IMO: they do line dance as a hobby and were they visiting Oklahoma to attend some sort of dance event.

They live in the house we saw them at on Christmas day, I'd guess somewhere ruralish in the UK, given a helicopter could land in the field next door.
 

His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 22, 2014 9:24 pm

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lil wrote:

@Clancy yes becoming a parent does change things, but I am pretty sure it doesn't mean you can't go see your friends.

True, but it would make it much harder to pursue friendships based on seeking out adrenaline highs.

I think John could have been thinking he should give up the detective side kick lark, even though he missed it, and in addition couldn't think of how to tell Sherlock and have been avoiding Sherlock whilst trying to make up his mind.

A month isn't that long, I've known plenty of people put off a hard decision for longer than that.

His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 21, 2014 11:30 pm

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lil wrote:

Yes John hadn't seen Sherlock in a month..another reason I feel a little eh wht? @John..after he promised things won't change ..on the bench etc.

 
That was before any of them knew Mary was pregnant and in my experience becoming a parent changes things a lot more than marriage does. I think the "you can't go/come I'm/you're pregnant" exchange has an underlying truth to it, as well as being funny.

His Last Vow » Drugs: Do you believe Sherlock? » January 21, 2014 11:21 pm

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Aujouret wrote:

Didn't Mycroft refer to Sherlock as his "junkie brother"?
It is canon.
Sherlock used the seven percent solution of cocaine and opium.
I think it's necessary to accept that Sherlock was a drug user and it is one of his faults.
 

 
IIRC it was just cocaine in ACD canon, besides which opium /cocaine would be an odd mix of actions and opium is poorly soluble.

His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 21, 2014 3:51 am

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wrt prepared words vs nothing to say; John had only one thing to say to Mary, it was easy enough to prepare (no cue cards needed) whereas IMO he had too much to say to Sherlock and that was why words failed him.

His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 20, 2014 1:30 am

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They could have had the scan for obstetric reasons (to check the lie of the baby etc - Mary is a little old for a first pregnancy) and found out the gender incidentally. Or maybe Mary knew before Christmas but hadn't told John due to the not speaking.

His Last Vow » Drugs: Do you believe Sherlock? » January 20, 2014 1:22 am

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True, but in canon he hadn't partaken of the drugs, hence the opportunity for varying Interpretations of the significance of Sherlock doing (probably) heroin in HLV.

The Sign of Three » Mycroft's wedding ring » January 19, 2014 8:19 am

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Mark wears 2 rings - a conventional wedding band and a mirror image of it on his R hand.  No idea why, nor why he leaves the right one on as Mycroft.

His Last Vow » Would Moriarty coming back be a good thing? [Vote here] » January 19, 2014 4:14 am

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krusta80 wrote:

I also want him to come back, and I think that the very last clip we see (about a minute into the credits sequence) indicates that it's more than just a poorly-manipulated image of him.  I could not be more excited.

That could have been shot before the end of TRF - either by Moriarty to give to an associate or by Mycroft (using whatever to persuade him) whilst he had Moriarty in custody.

I'm in the hope it's not really Moriarty clan, because for me his survival blunts the impact of TRF, and I'd planned on rewatching that now and then.

His Last Vow » Pressure Points » January 19, 2014 4:04 am

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I think Sherlock is not listed as a pressure point for John because John sees Sherlock as essentially invulnerable (what with the returning from death, genius and apparent lack of emotion).  Someone you love can't be used against you unless they can be got at.

That would also be a factor in John's reticence at the farewell, along with recent severe and prolonged emotional trauma and a general trouble with expressing his emotions.

His Last Vow » Mary » January 19, 2014 3:52 am

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Tantalus wrote:

I really think she will be killed off, and that it will have already happened when Series 4 begins, with flashbacks showing us what happened. {details}

I think they're going to have to have start S4 almost immediately after the end of S3, because of the Moriarty is back issue.  No matter what's going on there it's something that would need (in show) to be addressed immediately and  I hope it's to major a point to be relegated to flash backs.

eta: if the TEH happened more or less on real world time by the end of HLV we're up to January 2015.  If they do manage to do S4 in 12 months could maintain the real world /Sherlock time sync whilst moving straight on to the Moriarty problem.

His Last Vow » Drugs: Do you believe Sherlock? » January 19, 2014 3:38 am

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Lily wrote:

Sherlock's remark in HLV really confused me: 'Your best friend is a sociopath who solves crimes as an alternative to getting high.'

I found the whole interaction which that was a part of confusing - Sherlock was trying hard to get John to believe that he is attracted to sociopaths in general and subconsciously knew Mary was a sociopath, which is more than I can believe the subconscious capable of (more in the Sherlock / John / Mary dynamic thread on that point).

I believe Sherlock was in the drug den to try and fool Magnussen - he was too focused to be doing heroin seriously, and the house John found him in seemed to be a 'shooting gallery' for smack heads, not people doing cocaine.

BBC Sherlock seems to me to like excitement, I doubt he'd want to quiet his mind down.  If he was doing drugs I think he too would go for cocaine.

I think the heroin has been brought in as an updated reference to canon (Moftiss do love updating canon) rather than to tell us anything particular about Sherlock.  I'll be surprised if we see much more on this point in show - Moffat has said a couple of times he regards people doing drugs as 'twats'.

His Last Vow » The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation » January 19, 2014 3:14 am

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Returning to the OP, part of the trouble I'm having with understanding the dynamic between S/J/M is that I find some of the setup very unconvincing and I can't tell which is Moffat skipping over difficult details and which is Moffat dropping hints, although I'm sure both are present.

Of all the plot points in this ep the thing I find hardest to accept is that John subconsciously knew Mary was a killer - he could have picked up on her pragmatism, speed of thought and reflex, self confidence, physical co-ordination, possibly her being morally grey as well as the surface characteristics of a fun, bright, sparky personality, but that doesn't add up to CIA assassin (if that's what she was) - it could just as well describe John.  IMO John probably thought she was like himself,  rather than like Sherlock.

That's why I prefer the notion that Sherlock is playing John and Mary (seperately rather than together) and faking accepting her, for reasons we'll have to wait at least a year for.

eta:  bbcatemysoul on tumblr (I should learn how to link to individual posts on tumblr, but today is not the day) posted a suggestion about Sherlock's reasons for forgiving Mary that IMO provide another very plausible suggestion:

"In TEH, Sherlock comes back from the dead after deceiving John for two years, and John is so angry that Sherlock is actually convinced John wants nothing to do with him anymore. Sherlock actually thinks John won’t forgive him. Sherlock tells Mrs. Hudson that John made his feelings on the matter very clear, and then goes on to try to recruit Molly as a replacement. Mary was the one who told Sherlock that she would talk John around to forgiving Sherlock.

He was so grateful to Mary for trying to help John forgive Sherlock for something that should have been unforgivable, that Sherlock repaid her by talking John into considering giving her a second chance after she also did the unforgivable.

Having John forgive him was so important to Sherlock, that he helped

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