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Character Analysis » My thoughts about Mary (all episodes) » February 24, 2014 5:01 am

Willow wrote:

Wholocked

I doubt that many people can understand what motivates people who kill for money; Moftiss made quite sure that there is no get out route along the lines of 'she did it for her country', or 'she did it because she was attacked'. They deliberately made her someone alien to most of us; I can imagine myself killing someone for a number of reasons, but I can't imagine that.

I thought she worked for the CIA...which would mean she was paid by them but also that, theoretically, she would be in the service of the US government and interests, which would be aligned with the UK. I know the CIA is different from the military but there are similarities in method and purpose, and they were both in Afghanistan fighting al Queda...remember the big story about the CIA agent killed soon we went into Afghanistan following 9/11?
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And Mary also tells us the kinds of people she killed were people like Magnussen.

I think they could also have set it up to eventually reveal that her background was a fake, planted to trap Magnussen or that someone confused her with someone else...IF it weren't for the shooting of Sherlock. That's what there's really no going back from.

 

Sherlock Poetry, Stories & Books » Alan Stockwell... » February 24, 2014 4:43 am

...is the author of a bunch of Sherlock Holmes stories, the collection being called The Singular Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and The Singular Exploits
 
 
Not sure whether he intended Johnlock or not, but: - In one story, a man is discovered to have faked his death, and Watson has this to say:  "I think it inexcusable that a man should pretend to be dead to those closest to him. I thought so before, when I certain person I know appeared to be drowned, but was in fact gallivanting all over Europe."

Since Watson also says he can't believe the man in this case, who was married, would do that to his wife, it comes across as though he's saying losing Holmes was like losing a spouse. 

In another story, Watson is mad because Holmes put him in danger (kind of  without Watson's knowledge):

Watson: Imagine poor Mary, if I'd been killed

Holmes: That aspect never occurred to me, but I would have made sure the bullet hit me before it harmed you.

Holmes, while posing as an architect to investigate a supposedly haunted house, putting on an "effeminate manner," much to Watson's consternation

"I cringed to think that this most masculine of men should choose to appear to the world as a gilded butterfly" - direct quote from Watson - sounds a bit homophobic, but it could be read as kind of an "Oh my god, he's going to give us away." And he's commenting on Holmes' masculinity - which he does in canon.

As part of his pose, Holmes expresses the hope that the rooms he and Watson are staying in are near each other - in case he becomes frightened in the night

In yet another story, Watson stays with another bachelor friend, Bob, who is also very close with a local reverend (also a bachelor). When Watson hurts his ankle, Holmes suddenly shows up to provide support, "moral and practical," for Watson - but ends up ruining Watson's friendship with Bob, through Holmesian antics, which he justifies as necessarily to clear up the solution to a mystery without comi

Character Analysis » Moriarty: The only character that didn't work for me in the BBC series » February 24, 2014 4:23 am

Magnussen had a lot in common with the Moriarty of canon, in the way he controlled people while maintaining a facade of respectability.

The Sign of Three » Sherlock loves dancing » February 24, 2014 4:10 am

SusiGo[i wrote:

] I always assumed that Lady Smallwood contacts him only after the wedding so he was not interested in Janine because of her position with CAM[/i]. 

I assumed this at first...later I began to wonder. Sherlock's behavior with Janine at the wedding (receptive to her flirting) is more in-character if he's already targeting her as part of a case. In canon, Holmes (in disguise) moves in on a maid who works for the blackmailer Milverton - after he is approached by a client for help with Milverton.

But there is also the fact that being a good enough dancer to teach John him an excuse to spend time with John at Baker Street (it seems that John hasn't lived there since meeting Mary) and to hold John in his arms.  One way to take his behavior toward the end is that he wished he could dance with John now, in public!

I could imagine homophobic males making fun of Sherlock for being gay-in-love-with-John due to the dancing with John and also the speech he makes. It's not right that men who are perceived to be gay get that treatment.  But part of what makes Sherlock rather adorable in this episode is that he doesn't seem to realize those implications are there.


 

A Scandal In Belgravia » What is it with Sherlock and Irene? » February 24, 2014 4:00 am

besleybean wrote:

Just an aside...do we know for certain Irene had sex with her clients?
I thought she just tied them up and beat them?

Presumably they consented...but Sherlock didn't when she beat him. Or maybe he secretly does have those tastes?

I don't know how it works in the UK, but in the US, the selling of sexual favors for money is a crime in itself. They could have arrested her for that without any showing of blackmail or collecting government information. Rightly or wrongly, the current system in the US tends to punish the prostitute more than the "customer."

His Last Vow » Drugs: Do you believe Sherlock? » February 24, 2014 3:57 am

josabby wrote:

Sherlock seems to be able to turn on and off his drug use quite easily.  He never shows even a hankering for coccaine once he's done with his under cover work.  Cigarettes are a different story altogether where Sherlock is concerned. He seems to want those a lot more when he's bored.

This is very much the case in canon. There is no doubt he would rather have brainwork than drugs, and the drugs seem to be a last resort when he has nothing else to do. I would say there's an addiction there, but it's not cocaine, per se.

In the canonical story where Watson finds him in the opium den, it does seem to be part of a case - he's tracking someone or looking for them. (Married Watson returns with Holmes to the new client's home, where the spend the night in the same room.)

Interestingly, in canon, the drugs provide a point for conflict between Holmes and Watson - they are the one thing Watson really takes a stand about, with Holmes (well, that and the health effects of overwork), even though the harmfulness of cocaine was not well-recognized in that era. Watson is afraid Holmes will ruin his mental prowess...but I don't think we ever that happen...unless we want to infer it from some of the odder cases or ones where he's not doing as well. Watson's attitude is clearly motivated by friendship if not love, and it's implied Holmes less prone to both drug use and depression in later stories. Johnlockers like to say this is because he's happily married.

The Seven Percent Solution makes it more of an addiction - and deals with taking him to Freud to cure him. He goes over the edge when Watson gets married and he's left alone.

In this series, it seems weird that someone who is on the outs with his sister because she drinks too much would get himself and his friend (who is also his "charge" in a sense) drunk.

The Empty Hearse » I KNOW it would have been less realistic, but... » February 23, 2014 10:52 pm

Now that I think about it, doesn't it seem like, even though Sherlock is back at the very beginning of Season 3, John is still in some kind of "grieving" process?

And saying "the game is over" at the very end of HLV is almost like the "acceptance" part? (Although, I was at a presentation about grief not long ago, and the speaker said there's not necessarily such a thing as "acceptance" or or end-point.

Someone said John didn't show enough emotion as the plane was about to take off. I thought "The game is over," said a lot. Because a lot of John's life would be over. But maybe, now that he's got a wife, he's growing up and viewing his life with Sherlock more like a game?

During "Many Happy Returns" John says "stop being dead," and I felt like he didn't truly accept that Sherlock really was.

But even after John expresses forgiveness, he still moves on with the life he started to create without Sherlock (i.e., follows through with getting married). And by the last scene of HLV, it's as if somehow, , John is used to the idea of losing Sherlock, or, like he always thought Sherlock's being back was too good to be true?

The Empty Hearse » "I prefer my doctors to be clean shaven." » February 23, 2014 3:50 am

As a matter of fact, most Watsons throughout the years have had mustaches...and there is much Johnlock fanfic playing with the idea that Holmes likes to feel Watson's mustache tickling him....

But the line is nevertheless a little bit Johnlock-y, because it's like a woman (or gay man) saying, "I prefer my men (insert physical trait)" - talking about what he or she finds attractive in a potential romantic interest.

The very idea of Sherlock having a preference for John to look a certain way...

A Scandal In Belgravia » What is it with Sherlock and Irene? » February 23, 2014 3:09 am

besleybean wrote:

You think Canon and Brett are more Johnlocky than BBC Sherlock?
There's a novelty!

The reason I say this is:

1) BBC Sherlock teases us with many more potential love interests - introduces considerably more sexual tension between Sherlock and Irene than in canon where she outwits him but they really hardly interact (though many adaptations are guilty of that), and BBC also suggests his possible interest in Molly and Janine. In canon, there is NO ONE else significant in Holmes' life, and the only canonical love interest for EITHER is Mary.

2) In canon, they don't fight and snark at each other the way they do hear. Holmes can be blunt to the point of unkindness in criticizing Watson's inability to deduce the way he does. And Watson will sometimes stand up for himself in his response to that...and Watson certainly expresses his disapproval of some of Holmes' more dangerous habits...but their relationship is..."softer" for lack of a better word. There is a sense of mutual caring and protectiveness, and, on Watson's side, hero-worship. And we see them spending time together when not on cases. And there's a fair amount of physical contact (usually done by Holmes).

In some ways, the fact that there IS "Victorian sensibility" in canon makes it easier to imagine Johnlock behind the scenes: just because they're not saying it doesn't mean it isn't happening - they can't say it. In today's media, pretty much anything goes, so if they don't say, you wonder why they don't, if it's happening?

As for the Brett series...the physical contact is there, and well, there's something about Brett's voice. You can hear Holmes talking to Watson in that voice in more...private...moments.

Getting back to Irene, another thing - I don't know if Sherlock has any moralistic feelings about her sex life, or sex in general, but I guess I kind of think that ego would play a role in Sherlock's relationships. He learned to be friends with John in part because John found him

His Last Vow » Sherlock's Pressure Points » February 23, 2014 2:58 am

CAM admits that Sherlock wouldn't care enough about keeping his drug habits a secret to cooperate with CAM in exchange for it not being exposed.

On the surface, it wouldn't seem like Sherlock could be blackmailed, in the sense that CAM did to Lady Smallwood, over anything. He doesn't seem to really care about having a public image for morality, or anything.  And Scotland Yard seems to know about his...darker side and continue working with him anyway. I think if CAM were going to hurt Sherlock's reputation, it would have to be by making him look guilty of something criminal or terroristic, such that he couldn't be seen as an ally of Scotland Yard. Much as Moriarty did. BUT Sherlock is known to bend if not break the law, including his gaining entrance into CAM's own office...

The bonfire thing suggests that CAM thought that for Sherlock, he had to use "pressure" of another kind - threatening to hurt the one person Sherlock cares about, in a more physical sense.

But I do wonder about Irene as a pressure point..CAM could have just meant she is another person Sherlock cares about, whom he could threatend to ham...but if Sherlock and she ever "had dinner," I'd be surprised if CAM didn't find out. And he could twist that one into "Sherlock consorted with a terrorist," or perhaps, "Sherlock will protect any woman, no matter what she's done, if she'll 'have dinner' with him."

What I wonder is, would this consideration - of how it would look - have deterred Sherlock at the time from "having dinner" with Irene, if, as some have suggested, she offered it after he saved her?

 

A Scandal In Belgravia » What is it with Sherlock and Irene? » February 21, 2014 12:19 am

Sherlock is supposed to be more head than heart...you would think there should be a "too evil for me," for him...that he would have some measure of disgust at what Irene was doing. He absolutely HATES CAM...and yet Irene was also not only collecting personal secrets but endangering British security (supposedly). Mycroft didn't care about stopping CAM (still trying to figure that one out); Irene was seen as more of a threat.

Sherlock doesn't necessarily solve crimes because he's morally outraged about them (even in canon there are times he's sympathetic to someone who has committed a crime)...but this is a woman who tried to hurt him and John. In canon, Irene was not too bad of a person. There is some suggestion that the King who was her former lover might have harmed her.

And another thing...if Sherlock had dinner with Irene...I'm surprised CAM never found out. Sherlock being under suveillance might be part of why he doesn't "have dinner" with women or men.

Although Sherlock Holmes having a sex life wouldn't be a big scandal in this era, if it was Irene, CAM could have tried to twist it into "consorting with the enemy." Right or wong, people who associate "personally" with known criminals get investigated...

The Empty Hearse » I KNOW it would have been less realistic, but... » February 20, 2014 1:34 am

I would have liked to see John show some happiness or awe at getting the very miracle he had wished for...which is what we mostly get in canon and other adaptations. I know it has been said that that's not very realistic, but really, how realistic is this series anyway?

And although we can understand John being angry, really, he's put up with other things from Sherlock that are almost as bad. 

Or let him be hurt in a way that shows what  Sherlock means to him:

I could hear something like, "You said you only had one friend. I didn't know you meant Molly, I thought you meant me."

Or an exchange where Sherlock explains why he didn't tell John, John says something about how he'd be tortured to death before he'd give Sherlock away, and Sherlock says, "but I wouldn't put you in that position."

Actually, I think, John's feelings should have gone in the other direction, so to speak: the FIRST reaction should have been a sort of giddy, "It's a miracle," and then he could have GOTTEN angrier later, as he learned more about what had been going on, and how many lies Sherlock told him, as well as the fact that Sherlock trusted so many other people and not him.

And I think the HEIGHT of John's anger should have come after the train stunt. It could have been sort of an accumulation: "He lies to me about being dead, and now he lies to me about us both being about to die."

Especially if they wanted to make it look like there were some problems between the boys throughout Season 3, at least partly as a result of Sherlock's deception - which as of HLV they are implying -  but in TSoT they let us believe everything was fine.

 

Series Three News » JOHN HAS A NEW BLOG POST!!!. » February 20, 2014 1:25 am

John's blog doesn't appear to have a post coinciding with HLV.

A Scandal In Belgravia » What is it with Sherlock and Irene? » February 20, 2014 1:23 am

I like to think that Irene spoiled the little chances she might or might not have had by allying with Moriarty. 

You mean, this kind of turned Sherlock against her, or made him not trust her? Moriarty threatened John, after all.

(I have to add I didn´t like the end sequence, we know from ASiP that Sherlock is under surveillance and him flying to Karachi unnoticed and fooling Mycroft although he thoroughly checked it is her this time (you would like to see a head after a beheading?) is VERY unlikely to say the least. All the slashed terrorists would probably also lead to questions..)

And NOBODY Sherlock associated with knew he had left the country? Plus, how did he get past all those terrorists or whoever they were? I know he was in disguise but he was still VERY outnumbered and everything.

AND, in a way, I don't understand why Irene was about to be beheaded. I know those kinds of villains will kill their own minions who fail...but Irene was let go by Sherlock and Mycroft, so it wasn't like she was going to turn other people in to save herself. She really would have been free to go back to doing...what she'd been doing...if her OWN people didn't capture her.

The cameo of Irene in the mind palace seemed like the thoughts of a...more typical...hetero male. Distracted by something (potentially) sexual when he's supposed to be thinking of something work-related or important or serious.

I'm a Johnlocker based on canon, and the Brett series. I don't know if I would be if this series was the extent of my knowledge of Sherlock Holmes.

The Sign of Three » Why did Sherlock leave the wedding early, looking so sad and dejected? » February 19, 2014 9:43 pm

QuiteExtraordinary wrote:

Be wrote:

Talking about Mary and John: Did she ever say "John, I love you"? Did we get an actual kiss (apart from a kiss on the cheek or something casual in passing or from John when saying good-bye to follow Sherlock at the wedding table)? I don't think so. We got Sherlock and Janine kissing.  Which was a fake.

 
Didn't they kiss during their dance in the end of TSOT?

Someone made a good point that usually in wedding episodes we see a "big kiss" by the bride and groom but here, the John-Sherlock hug sort of took the place of that.
 

His Last Vow » John? Out of character? » February 19, 2014 9:02 pm

I defintely felt that while the writers teased the Johnlockers in Seasons 1 and 2 (SiB perhaps being in exception), with Season 3 they really tried to "shoot us down." (Excuse the expression - introduce plot elements and characterization to convince us the boys are hetero or at least NOT in love with each other.)

Tinks wrote: "We know [John] finds it hard to show his feelings."

Doesn't he share more character traits (potentinally negative ones) with Sherlock than in most adaptations? The original Watson was in an era when basically no one was allowed to really show their feelings...and yet he was pretty gushing about Holmes, for his time and more so than this John. It may not have been romantic love, but there was definitely hero-worship there! And he does describe Holmes' physical traits in flattering terms.

 

His Last Vow » isn't it obvious? » February 19, 2014 8:56 pm

I wonder if Moriarty, or someone affiliated with him, was able to look enough like Sherlock that he could impersonate Sherlock in the final scene and frame Sherlock for a killing? We know Moriarty WOULD do that - he's done it once before - and if he's alive he must be pretty upset that both Sherlock and Sherlock's reputation survived the first time.

The Sign of Three » Why did Sherlock leave the wedding early, looking so sad and dejected? » February 19, 2014 8:51 pm

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if Sherlock may already have been "on the case," at the time of the wedding, "the case," being bringing down CAM or at least thwarting his attempt to "own" Sherlock's client, Lady Smallwood and/or Mary.

- this might be a possible reason for his leaving early (he has work to do)
- I have a sense that he's already done some research into Mary (we saw that he found out about David, which was "ages ago" so what else?)
- I get the feeling the name "CAM" in the telegram means something to Sherlock
- this would make his interest in Janine less out-of-character - he's already watching "CAM's people," and "targeting" one that he can suck up to, for lack of a better phrase. In fact, it makes everything about the wedding less out-of-character - he's not there to socialize -  he sees it as work.

Now, this would mean that the MPs interrogating CAM, and his confrontation with Lady Smallwood, which we see in HLV, happen before the wedding - but I don't think that's impossible. The timeline in the series can always be "fuzzy." 

Or, maybe Sherlock became interested in CAM because he found out about the Mary connection, before Lady Smallwood officially asked for his help.

The Reichenbach Fall » Hidden in Plain Sight » February 19, 2014 8:43 pm

Doesn't it seem like Sherlock was very "out in the open" and "exposed" at the cemetery for someone who was supposed to be in hiding? It may be possible to conceal oneself in a cemetery, to a degree, but if he heard John's plea for "one more miracle" he had to be standing pretty near-by.

And he was also risking that somebody allied with Moriarty would notice...

The Empty Hearse » Did they give us too much? » February 19, 2014 8:41 pm

5H0l3e5 wrote:

Yeah of course. They give us too much trash.

What I mean is, they cleared Sherlock's name kind of off-screen, then we've gone back to his being in serious trouble (charged with murder and this time it's REAL, and faced with being parted from John forever.) They also wrote out Tom, reviving the possibility of "Mollock."

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