RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

Zatoichi wrote:

Tinks wrote:

 
This x 1000
Sherlock isn't a "House" type character who played nice sometimes to get away with doing something bad or to achieve a goal.
Sherlock plays bad to do good - he's not always understanding of social niceties but when it counts he is always a force for good.

I also want to sign this x 1000! <3

Tinks wrote:

I really can't see him shooting Mary if he thought she stood in the way of his and John's friendship, though!

And this is exactly why I will never trust Mary, no matter how nice and sweet and badass and whatever she was laid out to be, no matter what John and Sherlock feel about her and no matter how charitable I try to be about her assassin-past and her actions in CAMs office. She threatened him, she was completely ready to put a bullent between his eyes this time. I am sure she will hunt down everyone who dares to step between her and what she thinks she deserves from life instead of baring any consequences of her past actions. (Prove me wrong, S4, please!) This is a whole different level of being selfish or acting in moral greyscales than we had with other characters in Sherlock, and one I feel I can not be comfortable with.

Mary's selfishness could all too easily turn into a "If I can't have you, no-one will", kind of scenario. She has that sort of ruthless mindset.

The part that chilled me the most was when she's threatening Sherlock in the hospital, and you hear this sing-song voice (reminscent of Moriarty, by the way)

"Sherrrrlock. Sherrrrrlock. You don't tell John." 

EeeeeeeeK! 

Spooky. 
 
And actually, major kudos to Amanda Abbington for scaring the holy bejeezus out of me! 

Very true. Darn I really want to like her still but the more I watch HLV the worse it gets.

Tinks wrote:

I think his humanisation has been fast tracked a bit, I agree.
But I think his two years away has changed him - his world moved on without him; he has to change and change quickly.
He sees how much John has suffered and tries so hard to be a better friend to him than in the past. He's trying to save him any more hurt.
He doesn't think he's that important to anyone so despite his arrogance I don't see it as ooc that he'd think it not the end of the world that Mary almost killed him (it would've been completely different had she almost killed John)
Plus Sherlock has always had a heart - he just usually keeps it well hidden.

You're depressing me poor Sherlock <3

As far as my husband knows benedict looks odd to me based on our viewing of season one this December. But in January when we launched into season 2 and 3 I became sherlocked.

It's his mannerisms the mystery , the impish grin ... Everythig

And I think he did get better looking in the following years.

The hair is less frizzy.

And I think the moment I really went bananas was the Molly kiss.

The hair ruffle, face grabbing with two hands...

Good lord.

Do she and baby die in canon? I've just started reading them having come to Dharkock thi December and rapidly watching and rewatching all three seasons in just a couple weeks time.

I thought I had read online that she dies in child birth but then read on some posts here about her just disappearing.

I wasn't sure and haven't investigated much bc I don't want to end up reading plots of books I haven't made it to you yet.

However even in canon- I believe it's Scandal in Belgrave that starts out saying after the wedding Watson and Sherlock lose touch and a distance forms between after wedding due to the setting up of house and such.

So despite all the angst here- the strained relationship is straight out of canon and honestly true to real world relationships.

TeeJay wrote:

Willow wrote:

Lily wrote:

I think you mean the scene where John, Lestrade and Mrs Hudson are at 221b, talking about Sherlock's disappearence. Then Lestrade leaves and John sits down in his chair, suddenly realising that it's back where it used to be. He then says to Mrs Hudson: 'Why does Sherlock think I'm moving back in?'
It is likely that John did move back in after the confrontation with Mary, it is not directly stated but implied that he lived in 221b during the time in which Sherlock was in hospital and the Christmas dinner, where Mary says they hadn't spoken in months.

 
Indeed, John starts that conversation by enquiring "So, are you OK?" which would be bonkers if they had been living together...

Mary also says something like, "Oh, so we're doing 'conversation' now, are we?" That, to me, indicated that John moved back in with Sherlock for the time being after the Mary-is-an-assassin reveal. It's certainly possible that they're living together but not talking, but the clues they left seemed to point to the fact that John temporarily moved back into Baker Street.

I think it would be much easier to move elsewhere than live in a flat with someone and not talk for months. The Christmas scene wouldn't make much sense if he had access to Mary via living with her.

I'm thinking they were mine dancing in OK. They're portrayed as eccentric and it seems totally the vacation for them.

Lived in Missouri near Oklahoma and line dancing is big there.

Tinks wrote:

@Willow "everything is viewed through the prism of John's feelings'
I think this is so true - I think because MF is so good at playing hurt and angry, the writing and directing slants a little too much towards that at times so that Sherlock becomes almost a bystander.
This is a shame, because there are so many subtleties in his behaviour that give a clue to what's going on with him, but so much of the time we see things only as they affect John first, and are left to draw our own conclusions about how they affect Sherlock.
I don't know what the answer to this is, because he's the one writing the blog, and I don't want to get too critical here; one of the problems of the hiatus is that you're left with a lot of time to overanalyse what you've seen.
But if people have watched the Baker Street scene and picked up only on John's feelings (and yes MF was brilliant) and not Sherlock's hurt and pain too, then maybe the direction or writing needs to be a tiny bit more balanced so that people take in the whole scene, because BC was great in that scene too, and it's a shame for him if people weren't taking in what he was trying to convey.
Just a thought that's struck me today, but I'm going to lurk without posting for the remainder if the day, because I'm aware that I'm posting too much and maybe not expressing myself very well.
I'll bid you all a goodnight for now !

I really didnt see sherlock fading in that scene at first.

Obviously I saw him struggle which I assumed was pain- he did ask mrs Hudson for morphie rrather loudly after all.

Admittedly I was enthralled in Johns drama but I've come to realize I really like him lol so maybe that's why?  And MF did such a great job in that scene.

I loved sherlock in it too though. He was blunt and not playing into the drama bc be needed to get things resolved. Before the ambulance came.

I always assumed he'd go back to hospital bc he escaped and clearly wasn't well enough- I just didnt think it would involve

I agree he likely moved back in but his chair back in place coupled  with the strategically placed Claire de la lune perfume was meant to be a clue to Watson.

If was Mary.

Tinks wrote:

Swanpride wrote:

Who said that Sherlock did anything wrong (aside from faking his suicide in front of John and pretending to be dead for two years)? That doesn't make John's anger less justified. He is just lashing out. It happens. He wouldn't be human otherwise.

 
The faking of the suicide has been brought up by a few people as if he deliberately didn't bother telling John because he was thoughtless and selfish.
When in fact, John had to believe Sherlock was dead, because if he gave any clue to thinking he was alive, there were people ready to kill him.
However, Sherlock has done things before that have appalled John in their apparent cruelty (like not going to Mrs Hudson when she was supposed to have been shot) and John has later realised that the apparant cruelty was an act; that there was a reason for it.
Therefore, I would expect, by now, for John to have found out or worked out, why he had to be kept in the dark about Sherlock's fake death.
So I don't accept his apparent coolness to Sherlock, while he is now being warm and loving to Mary, is what I'm saying.
If he's forgiven Mary, then he should equally forgive Sherlock.
And to go back to a point I keep making, Sherlock acted as he did from selflessness, Mary from selfishness.

Sherlocks motives don't erase johns pain. He was clearly devestated at TRF at the grave scene. Lets not forget either he witnessed Sherlocks fall. His best friends death. That is disturbing!

Moftiss went to the trouble of showing us that he didnt deal well with it in TEH opening talking with the therapist and he and mrs Hudson discussing his complete lack of contact with her.

Then Sherlock sashays back in his life with all the reverence of a circus clown. Surprise I'm not dead I'm pretending to be a waiter- totally making a mockery of johns grief.

Yes he's mad. Yes he's still hurt. It makes sense.

He accepted Sherlock back in his life. Just like he did Mary. But like he said to Mary- I'm still pissed it'