Westwood! wrote:

I love little Archie!! I think Sherlock would be great with children because he treats them as grown ups and they understand that! I would like to see him with mary and john's baby but I have a bad feeling about His last vow..Anyway in the original books he goes along well with homeless children!

I think a big part of the Archie thing was showing how good Sherlock could be with children, in part because of his own child-like-ness (which would be consistent with Asperger's).

Sherlock: Grown-ups like that sort of thing.
Archie: Why?
Sherlock: I don't know, I'll ask one. (Subtext: I'm not one myself.)

This scene made me believe that part of why Sherlock shows he will do anything to protect Mary is that he wants to protect Baby Watson. (Assuming the baby IS a Watson.)

But in this episode we see both that he loves John and that he likes children, so I begin to believe he will care a lot about a child that is part John Watson, so to speak.

And yes, Archie could be the modern equivalent of a Baker Street Irregular, but I thought that was the Homeless Network?

nakahara wrote:

Continuation of my semi-crazy theory of canon Johnlock.   This time featuring „The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes“ with Jeremy Brett as SH.
 
This version of ACD′s stories was incredibly faithful to the original. Huge parts of dialog were taken directly from the books. Many scenes even mirrored canonical Sidney Paget ilustrations.
 
And it still had plenty of Johnlock.
 
Like, Holmes was in Watson′s bedroom all the time.
This was how it was in the morning:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo5bdJxNK6M
 
This was how it was at night:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcDhwAGMN80
 
And sometimes Holmes just admired Watson in a creepy-cute manner while Watson was sleeping in his bed peacefully:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSgk1MbeleU
 
Watson was not even surprised to find Holmes in his room like that. It was probably a frequent occurence.
 
„The Empty House“ was like a „Johnlock – The Episode“. Just watch those caresses at 2:28 and subsequent dialog:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fMHCA8vpoI
 
Aw, sweet!
This ship sails itself.

I like the way nakahara thinks! Especially about  EMPT. Do you know that some stations edit out the caresses?

Brett's Holmes is very touchy-feely with Watson and his voice is just...seductive. When he says, "I trust age cannot wither me..." (it's a line originally about Cleopatra, but Holmes says the line in canon as well), it really sounds like, "I hope you're still attracted to me."

Brett admitted he didn't care for the scene in their CAM episode, where Holmes kisses Milverton's maid. He thought it didn't go with Holmes' ambiguous sexuality. And although this probably shouldn't matter, Brett had some real-life rela

nakahara wrote:

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But he abhors CAM. Completely.
In Sherlock′s eyes, murderers are nothing in comparison to this reprehensible man:
 
„I have said that he is the worst man in London, and I would ask you how could one compare the ruffian, who in hot blood bludgeons his mate, with this man, who methodically and at his leisure tortures the soul and wrings the nerves in order to add to his already swollen money-bags?“
 
He also hates with passion CAM′s tendency to pray on weaknesses of his victims:
 
„What would it profit a woman, for example, to get him a few months' imprisonment if her own ruin must immediately follow? His victims dare not hit back.“
 
CAM′s blackmail is utter cowardice, unworthy of man.
 
For Sherlock, this is not just about the case anymore. It gets personal between him and CAM:
 
„Between ourselves, Watson, it's a sporting duel between this fellow Milverton and me. He had, as you saw, the best of the first exchanges, but my self-respect and my reputation are concerned to fight it to a finish.“
 
And we can′t forget that in HLV, Sherlock′s own brother Mycroft is blacmailed apart from Sherlock′s other clients – Lady Smalwood, his best friend John and Mary.
 
Such is the Sherlock′s distaste for CAM that he, a well-known misogynist, miraculously transforms into a chivalrous knight and is willing to risk everything, his career and his life, for his female client:
 
„Surely a gentleman should not lay much stress upon this, when a lady is in most desperate need of his help?“
  

Watson says elsewhere that Holmes "disliked and distrusted [women] but was always a chivalrous opponent" and "had a remarkable way in dealing with them." And indeed, I don't think there are too many truly dislikable women in canon.

It is a favorite theory of Johnlockers that Milverton knew something about Holmes' love life, having to do with either Watson or the college friend Victor Trevor (bec

I can't believe this! I was thinking about this and someone posted it. As Balki, from another (albeit very different)  male-friendship show would say, "Susi must have ESPN!"

Interestingly, I know some dedicated Johnlockers who say that Stout was being homophobic. That is, he picked up on how "married couple" Holmes and Watson seem in canon, and he's grasping at ANY straw rather than acknowledge that two men are in love.

But Stout just might have come up with the answer that will please both of the main (canonical) shipping camps. 

Because, think about it: If Watson were a woman in canon, what would she have to be like?

Very unconventional. Probably an actress, or at least...have a knack for dressing up as a male...

- The boys' hug
- The knee grab, and hearing that they don't mind it!
- Mrs. Hudson talking about her sex life causing John to blurt out Sherlock's name

I thought the whole point of her blackmail was that she had people in sexual situations? 

I was surprised that was still usable for blackmail today, frankly, but I guess, if they're married...

She threatened /offered to "have Sherlock on the desk til he begged for mercy twice"...the begging for mercy would be more literal if it involved beating, but I thought she meant she wanted to, well, "do" Sherlock until it was "so pleasurable it was painful."

Her collaboration with Moriarty is the most disappointing part...because it makes her both more of a bad guy and less of a strong woman (in the sense that a man kind of had to tell her what to do.)

 he's slighted and embarrassed that other people were in on Sherlock's plan, he takes the Fall as a personal betrayal and an intentional wounding.

I think this part is a big issue for John...and it bothers me, because, here is this guy who says he has to be alone to be safe, and yet he really put his life in the hands of many people, none of whom he was supposed to be as close to as to John. But again, I would have expected to see almost a stronger burst of anger after that trick was explained (when he saw how many people were in on it) than when he first saw Sherlock.

Watson and Mary are married a few years before Holmes fakes his death in canon. Johnlockers think that Holmes is motivated to run away partly-to-entirely by his heartbreak at seeing his Watson happy with a woman. And then the reason Watson was able to forgive so easily is, he understands that Holmes viewed his (Watson's) marriage, as "Watson is leaving me."

This could fairly be called a "fix fic" for Season 3 (I didn't write it.):

http://archiveofourown.org/works/1125940/chapters/2354047

The knee-grab on Stag Night leads to...much more. And unlike many fics involving drunkenness, they DON'T go back into denial afterward and say, "Oh, that wasn't the REAL us."

Willow wrote:

I am not really at home with psychoanalysing characters, not least because Moftiss love to trip us up; who saw Sherlock's parents coming? But John does seem a very needy person, for whatever reason, and that's a drawback from my perspective because I really enjoy the thrill of the chase and big adventures; the sort of thing that makes Sherlock think it's Christmas

So, I'm hoping that John stops angsting and emoing, and turns instead to burning off his adrenaline in the good old fashioned way; chasing villains! Interesting and scary villains, preferably, but villains none the less; Sherlock is most definitely not an angel but he does need to be on the side of the angels because otherwise we are rather lost.

Most modern therapists have abandoned excavating their patients memories for decades in favour of changing their behaviour now, not least because we are alive now and therefore can change what we do today, but we cannot change the past, so there's no advantage in reinforcing memories of the unpleasant past.

I think John does need therapy of some kind, but in my view chasing villains can be very therapeutic...

And while I'm no expert, I'm not sure PTSD is the right diagnosis for John...the nightmares would fit, and anger, depression, avoidance of long-term relationships, and even lack of interest in normal life can be symptoms -  but wouldn't someone with PTSD be scared (freaked out) over the kinds of things John and Sherlock jump into? John seeks these situations out...whatever he is, he's not especially fearful.

Sherlock's work is probably enough like combat that it feels normal to John.

LoveIsAViciousMotivator wrote:

I will agree with Swanpride on TEH. I don't see anything wrong with Mary's actions in this episode. She is very supportive and seems to want to help John try and fix his relationship with Sherlock.

Susigo, you make a good point about the fact that in TSoT, we never saw the marriage vows nor did we see Mary and John show declaring their love for one another. Mostly, the episode focused on John and Sherlock. Mary seemed to just be there in the wedding dress. I think that is the fault of the writers, not of the character herself. 

Up until HLV Mary seemed to be facilitating Johnlock. She is almost shipping John and Sherlock, to the point it really does feel like they're all three getting married. And of the three of them planning the wedding, it is John who is the LEAST into it - Mary and Sherlock plan. 

As I have said, there is fanfic where they're a threesome, or triad (some of it canon-based, some of it Guy Ritchie-based) and I can actually see this Mary going for that.

What hurt the Johnlock for me was John's still having conflicted loyalties to both of them after Mary shoots Sherlock, and allowing Sherlock to sacrifice himself. Then it's implied that John's married life is now more important...I don't have that hard of a time believing John still loves a former CIA assassin, (he and Sherlock both find killing justified in some circumstances) but I have a hard time believing he'll stay with someone who shot Sherlock Holmes, and with the suggestion that John is more upset at being lied to about Mary's past (which he partly blamed Sherlock for) than about the shooting.

But it occur to me that there's been a "trading of favors" between Mary and Sherlock: Mary promised Sherlock she would convince John to forgive in TEH (though I'm not sure there that her influence made the difference.) And then in HLV, Sherlock convinces John to forgive Mary.