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The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 20, 2014 9:17 pm

Aujouret wrote:

I think what Sherlock told Anderson was pretty much the truth. I also think it doesn't matter anyway.
When John pressed for the answer at the end, Sherlock just brushed it aside.
So that is that. Fini.
This Sherlock series just puts whatever onscreen and the audience can believe whatever it wants.
The fan base debates and debates everything.
The writers have a BIG hit show.
It is not the Granada series with everything tied up neat with a bow.
It is not canon.

And maybe John really meant it when he said he didn't care how; maybe he even LIKES having the lingering question of something supernatural. And we, the viewer, are probably supposed to identify with John more than any other character.

The Empty Hearse » Has Mary killed Johnlock? » January 20, 2014 5:35 pm

You know, there is also fan fic (from every 'verse) where Mary, um...gets involved... in "Johnlock." I think I can imagine this Mary (Abbington) doing that!

The Empty Hearse » Sherlock's Name is Cleared... » January 20, 2014 5:23 pm

...was that something he engineered, too? Or was it mostly the police who had formerly been against him?

I have said before I'm surprised John didn't suspect he wasn't dead; people have explained that.

Wouldn't you have thought that John would dedicate himself to helping clear Sherlock's name "after the fall?" Did he in fact have any role in it?

General Sherlock Discussion » is a sherlock holmes possible? » January 20, 2014 5:21 pm

I think a more interesting question is, would society really be fascinated with him, would he attract followers? Especially in the modern era when we feel like we've seen it all, and there is nothing out of the ordinary about narcissism or poor social skills. (That was something of a novelty in socially-rigid Victorian England, and his methods were probably more cutting-edge then, too.)

The modern Sherlock isn't terribly different from, at least, a lot of other modern crimefighting characters.

The Empty Hearse » Has Mary killed Johnlock? » January 20, 2014 5:18 pm

There is another reason why Johnlock fits canon better:

At the time canon was written ANY indication that ANYONE was sleeping with anyone was, of course, taboo to mention, and "Johnlock" would have been downright illegal. So it would make sense for that side of their relationship to exist, yet be suppressed from or left out of the stories, or turned into subtext.

In today's media, there's not much that's really off-limits. So it's harder to believe that there's something going on behind the scenes in a modern series, because  "why not just tell us?" Then again, with THESE writers and producers..

The Empty Hearse » Reunion - do you think... » January 20, 2014 5:13 pm

The timeline of this series has always been a little vague. To be honest, when I realized that the 3rd episode of Season 2 was going to be Sherlock faking his death, I felt like, "It's too soon for that."

How much time do you think this episode covered? How much time in between the restaurant scene and John's kidnapping?

Was John on his way to "make up" with Sherlock when he was kidnapped...or do you think he might not have done so if he hadn't been kidnapped?

Oh, and when John first saw Sherlock...was anyone else disappointed he didn't pass out, which he does in canon?

And it does seem like Sherlock's timing was particularly unfortunate. (I know he couldn't come back any sooner than he had dismantled Moriarty's network.) It seems like his reappearance comes JUST when John was beginning to move on. Any time earlier and John might have found it easier to pick up where they left off. (Perhaps John really was hoping/imagining at some earlier point after The Fall that it was all a trick.)

The Empty Hearse » The whole bonfire scene » January 20, 2014 5:02 pm

Please keep in mind I have seen ONLY TEH, so don't spoil, but I assume the reason behind John's kidnapping and near death will be revealed later in the season?

It really didn't seem to mesh with anything else going on.

Also, I didn't get who was sending Sherlock the texts. I almost thought John was doing it, only pretending to be in danger.

Do you think John would have "gotten back with" Sherlock if the bonfire bit hadn't happened?

On his blog,  John half-jokingly accuses Sherlock of setting up the bonfire scene just so he could save John:


 Sherlock and my girlfriend turned up in the nick of time and saved me. It was probably Sherlock himself. Set it all up just so he could save my life so I'd forgive him about what he did. Nah, I know it wasn't really.

Character Analysis » Sherlock- Asperger's syndrome and sociopathy » January 20, 2014 4:56 pm

We know John has PTSD...does Sherlock have it? As I saw the beginning of TEH, it occurred to me that, while PTSD is common for those who have served in the military (and Sherlock has not actually served), he has certainly been through enough experiences that could give a person PTSD...and if he hadn't before the hiatus, he has now. Wasn't he actually being tortured?

The Empty Hearse » The Empty Hearse - favorite quotes thread » January 20, 2014 4:53 pm

SusiGo wrote:

"Oh my God." 
"Not quite."
 

Meaning that he's not quite God, but almost? Do you think Sherlock wants to be seen as somewhat god-like?

The Reichenbach Fall » "The press always turn, Sherlock, and they'll turn on you" » January 20, 2014 4:51 pm

Some people seem to think his personality is different now...do we see any change in his attitude toward the press?

The Empty Hearse » Has Mary killed Johnlock? » January 20, 2014 4:43 pm

besleybean wrote:

I thik it's a heck of an assumption that asexual people want asexual friends.

I think I more mean that I would expect Sherlock, who doesn't have many real friends, to not do a very good job of sharing the ones he has with THEIR other friends.
 

The Empty Hearse » The bomb off-switch » January 20, 2014 4:40 pm

At the beginning, when John was trying to do the "I'm not going back to you," act, I understood why. On the blog, John wrote, "I know he's a psychopath but this was too much."

But at the end, after Sherlock tricked him about the bomb, I thought he had good reason to do another "break-up" act...but he didn't. 

It's like,  "Oh yeah, that's just Sherlock." So I sort of started to wonder why he was so mad about the faked death...I mean, yes, I get it, but it's like he has more easily forgiven Sherlock for things that are almost worse.

Why was faking his death for two years "too much," and having John convinced they were both going to die wasn't, and in fact, that sort of made the original death-faking ok.....does that make sense?

Put another way, it makes sense for John to be angrier than ever at Sherlock over deceiving him abouat being dead. It doesn't make sense for him to suddenly be LESS angry right after another stunt that involved Sherlock tricking him and messing with his mind (i.e., the bomb.)

Also, throughout canon, and even in this series, we have seen Sherlock be very genuinely freaked out by any suggestion of danger his Watson. So the idea of Sherlock laughing at John's being in danger (and scared) takes his cruelty to a new level....and seems out of character even though we already knew he was capable of being cruel to John in another ways.

The Reichenbach Fall » thoughts on rooftop scene after watching the empty hearse [spoilers] » January 20, 2014 4:36 pm

Watching the flash back scene, "it's all a magic trick," meant, not "my cleverness is all fake," but "what you are about to see - my supposed suicide - is a trick."

The Empty Hearse » Mycroft & Sherlock Deductions & Last Phone Call From Mycroft I » January 20, 2014 4:35 pm

SherlockShanghai wrote:

Also, why or what was Mycroft talking about to Sherlock about "you can take over the interveral". Did anyone catch that>?

I wanted to know what this was about, too. I actually thought he said, "You can take over the (name of some organization)." I wondered if he was counting on Mycroft to fend off the press. 

The Empty Hearse » Reunion - do you think... » January 20, 2014 6:03 am

sj4iy wrote:

sherlockskitty wrote:

I think Sherlock knew that John wasn't gonna easily forgive him for keeping him in the dark,  for two whole years.   But I don't think he expected that John would attack him.   None of us did.  THAT  was a surprise, for me.  (but I loved it cos it was different than it was, in  the canon)  

Actually, I think quite the opposite.  I think he grossy underestimated just how easy it would be to 'waltz' back into John's life as evidenced by:

1. Making a joke out of it by dressing up as the waiter to 'surprise' him
2. His comment to Mycroft that he could 'jump out of a cake'
3. Telling Mycroft that John had no life without him
4. Sherlock not actually, sincerely apologizing for what he did until after John was nearly killed

He really didn't think it would be hard to come back in and pick up his life just the way he had left it, and it took him by complete shock to find that he wouldn't be able to do that as easily as he had imagined.  I COMPLETELY imagined John would attack him...it just fits the personalities of both of the characters.

The "What life? I've been away." line SAYS IT ALL. Sherlock really had no clue that John would be doing anything other than waiting for him to come back. And frankly, in canon and also in the Brett series, we get this impression about Watson too. He doesn't seem to move on. He seems to be trying to hang on to his life with Holmes.

In our review of EMPT in the "Book Club," someone really slammed the story for the unrealism of Watson's quick forgiveness...but to be honest, I would have preferred the series to stay true to that... but that's partly my addiction to "Johnlock."
 

The Empty Hearse » Reunion - do you think... » January 20, 2014 6:02 am

You do know that in the original, Watson faints upon seeing Holmes, (and the next thing he knows, he wakes up more or less in Holmes' arms). Jeremy Brett's "reviving Watson" was WAY homoerotic.

Is anyone besides me disappointed that they didn't use that? 

The Reichenbach Fall » "The press always turn, Sherlock, and they'll turn on you" » January 20, 2014 6:00 am

John was right about that, of course, but this is the kind of thing you say to someone who lets fame go to their head. Do we have any indication Sherlock was enjoying fame or getting any MORE cocky than usual as a result? I thought he really didn't care what "the little people" thought.

The Empty Hearse » I hope I'm wrong about this... » January 20, 2014 5:58 am

In his explanation to Anderson of How He Staged It, he mentions that he used as a corpse a lookalike of himself who was used by Moriarty as part of the frame-up plot. He felt it was inevitable that this guy would be eliminated when he had outlived his usefulness.

Now, I REALLY hope not, but isn't there theoretically a possibiltiy that Sherlock himself bumped off the lookalike, just from the way he talked about it? And in the best-case scenario, he may have had good information that a murder was going to happen and LET it happen.

Moriarty using a Sherlock look-alike does make sense, however, for Moriarty's plan.

Character Analysis » Moriarty: The only character that didn't work for me in the BBC series » January 20, 2014 5:37 am

SteveNJ wrote:

Well I have to credit the actor because he fully commited to the role but the babbling, loon-type character is a cliche.

He became a comedic character. Should I be laughing at Moriarty?

Just need some gravitas to go toe to toe with Sherlock but we'll get that with the updated Milverton, I guess.

His committing suicide as a way of winning was REALLY over the top.

The Empty Hearse » The "subtext" of the mysteries that Sherlock works on in TEH » January 20, 2014 5:35 am

First we have the discovery of the corpse with a book called "How I did it," and Sherlock reveals it as a "fake."

And they're studying the train and going, "How could he jump and escape? There's no way out." 

Sound familiar?

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