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Benedict's Non-Sherlock Work » Zoolander 2 » February 16, 2016 10:35 am

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Oh my, I am laughing so hard about that gif.. That's exactly the kind of silly genius that made me love the first part so much. A bit sad to hear that the movie doesn't seem to live up to its standard.. but I'll probably still go and judge for myself. 

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 30, 2016 6:06 am

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Ho Yay wrote:

If one sees it -> One's mindset free from heteronormativity enough to see it.
If one doesn't see it -> heteronormativity is blocking from seing it or one has consumed very little romance in media to be acquainted with a language that is taught to viewers since childhood

..Sherlock has a progression that heteronormativity blocks from seeing...

What about if one sees it but doesn't believe it will be followed through because there are also many tropes that contradict a romantic arc? Like almost being blown up together and none of them confessing? Or like one of them going into certain death and the other one instead of rebelling or breaking down or yelling "this is just wrong!!" just watches while holding his wife's hand? Or one of them chosing his wife over and over, no matter what she did to his true love interest? It is things like that that make me not root for their romance, is this what you mean by "a progession that heteronormativity blocks fom seeing"?

Could it maybe also be thinkable that if one has grown up with massive exposure to romance they might find it hard to imagine a show might just be flirting with the idea of romance, or mingle it with deep care and friendship without the typical progression of love-stories? Being so used to a (stereo)typical progression of romance might not always be an advantage when interpreting shows like Sherlock, which are so inventive and not bound to any known genre (*cough* and not overly attached to the idea of internal consistency *cough*)..?

When John saves Sherlock in TAB again there are stares, flirting and Moriarty even remarks on it, they keep flirting and throw him off a cliff. They get established as a couple.

Could you explain a little more why you think this establishes them as a couple? because I also read the contrary interpretation that they finally got rid of the mistaken gay assumptions impersonated by crazy Moriarty there.. And as I get it they return to modern time

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 29, 2016 7:35 am

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Ho Yay wrote:

Whisky wrote:

These tropes... it's like somebody tells me, you have to learn the language to understand anything. And I'm feeling like: why? The show always made sense to me without knowing any tropes.

I'm not talking about male friendship as standards. I am talking about the kind of friendship we see in Sherlock. If we get stuck with a) and b), as in a) standard friendship an b) classical romance, there will never be anything groundbreaking happening in between, I quite agree.
 

People already know the trope language if they have seen TV with any romance in their lives, it's heteronormativity that blinds to the coding, there is an actual issue in society, you understand your native language even when you haven't studied grammar.
Representation that there is now is far from enough even if it's there and not as varied as it should, it's still an issue. Sherlock specifically would be the slow burn romance which defies all hetoronormative arguments that I've seen in this thread and others on why they don't look like a romantic couple. Just the fact that this arguments have been used here marks how much this kind of representation is needed. Plus if with this kind of coding this representation wasn't given it would reinforce the idea that those heteronormative arguments were right,
BBC doesn't have to stick to anything, but queerbaiting hurts people.
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"Blinded by heteronormativity" is a very strong argument, because it can´t really be disproved until the final second of Sherlock, when either they did or did not become a couple. Everything speaking against them actually becoming an item could just be a trick to lure the heteronormative majority of viewers into having the surprise of their life and after that watching TV with different eyes. It´s just.. well, I don´t want to use such horribly misleading concepts like "balance of probability" in my arguments.. but to me the chance is very small that this is what they´re actually doing.

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 28, 2016 9:37 am

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I have never followed love stories if I had the choice 

@nakahara, it´s not difficult to pick up on the hints and innuendo and becoming a fan of it, quite the contrary.. but decoding "Sherlock" as actually being an epic romance (in which the love interest seems surprisingly okay with the hero almost sacrificing his life for his heteronormative spouse and other textual blows against everything I´d ever consider as "romantically promising") is another story.

Time will tell, that´s the good thing..

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 28, 2016 8:55 am

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Well, I'll be happy if John's bisexuality will someday be textually confirmed enough to be undeniable even for viewers with a heteronormative mindset. Because watching something coded in a way only queer viewers or scholars of cinematography can fully grasp is neither very satisfactory nor contributing to queer representation imo.

Susi, if I will someday far from now be inclined and actually able to see the phantom that still is S4, there will still be plenty of time for Tab..

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 28, 2016 8:25 am

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Liberty wrote:

Funnily enough, I thought TAB definitely cleared it up!  Then came here and found that not everybody saw it the same way.

 
I still haven't seen the Special.. Somehow can't bring myself to it. So I don't know.. But they are definitely teased by Moriarty about the nature of their relationship.. Again. And he and his gun get very excited in Sherlock's presence.. Again. So they definitely don't seem to be done with this kind of innuendo quite yet..

Other » Free Rants » January 28, 2016 8:17 am

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"Get up and try again.. Fail again.. Fail better!" The words of some intelligent young man we all know and adore.. 
(Hugs) Much strenght to you, I know it isn't easy..

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 28, 2016 7:23 am

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Sherlock - the story of a detective, his impulses and why he doesn't just elope with his special friend Dr. john Watson. A source of endless fascination since 1895 - and we know it's always 1895. 

I think I know where I'd place my money if I had the choice between "they are carefully crafting a love-story arc spanning the decades" and "they are milking the fascination with Sherlock's sexuality for their own benefit".. Not that I've ever gamble with them, I'm pretty sure they have "we always win whatever you do anyway" written in the rules of their game somewhere. That's not meant as criticizing them, it's their show and they can do whatever they want to be successful. And maybe I'm wrong, I almost wish I am when I read justified wishes for Johnlock as canon. But all the subtext and cinematographic hints and tropes mean nothing as long as main-text John stays stubbornly hetero and Sherlock just pines and pines for whatever, maybe just for John in his life, maybe even more.. make it explicit or take away the innuendo, that's how I am feeling about it at the moment. If I'm honest I'm thoroughly bored by the ambiguity I once enjoyed by now..

Other » The "Good News" thread » January 28, 2016 6:56 am

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Thank you, bb! And wow that's cool, does he teach English? Sometimes I envy people living in Japan for years, although I know that it can be difficult for foreigners at times..

Other » The "Good News" thread » January 28, 2016 6:44 am

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Glad to hear that, Phantom!!

I am happy today because I finally received the results notification of the Japanese Language Proficiency Test I took in December.. I wanted to have this certificate since I knew it existed and never quite dared to take the test because it has a reputation of being overly difficult on the highest level I was aiming at.. But I passed with a pretty decent result, I still can't quite believe it! *happy dance*

Other » Free Rants » January 28, 2016 6:26 am

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Oh dear, exams drawing closer and a boiling brain.. that's tough. I hope the convention and nice meetings on the weekend will take your mind off the stress a little! *hugs*

And hugs for you, too, Phantom.. Don't be too tough on yourself, you are coping very well with a really difficult situation. Weak moments happen..

Other » Free Rants » January 19, 2016 11:52 am

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What the.. how are you supposed to pay back from allowances that are barely enough to cover for food and housing? Especially as you have additional costs for commuting now? Stay strong, and check if they even have the right to do that - sometimes they make unbelievable mistakes (a friend´s husband recently got an "F" on his final test for retraining, and after checking it turned out they "forgot" to count 20 points which were enough for a "D".. 

General Benedict Appreciation » Favourite Sherlock/Benedict pictures » January 19, 2016 11:43 am

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besleybean wrote:

I visibly wince at both those gifs.
The syringe one is just too beautiful and sensual.

Signed..

Other » Free Rants » January 19, 2016 11:29 am

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My bad luck continued over the weekend.. I dropped a frying pan on my foot, burned my finger on the waffle iron and poured a glass of water over the laptop - which chose to quit the function of the m,n, enter and back keys after that. Resentful thing.. I have an external keyboard now and decided to delay possibly fatal household chores like window cleaning and drilling holes until my losing streak is over..

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 19, 2016 6:21 am

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I'm sticking with the official version that "he's asexual, but he is not really, he is a volcano, that's where the story is, but thinking is sex to him, the rest is transport, or is it really?" ^^

Other » When a beloved celebrity dies » January 19, 2016 6:07 am

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Sorry to hear that, tonnaree.. What a horrible week. 

Other » When a beloved celebrity dies » January 16, 2016 6:02 pm

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Oh that was lovely, thank you for the link! I couldn't help but think of young Severus, Lily and James..^^

Other » When a beloved celebrity dies » January 16, 2016 5:05 pm

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It you don't mind a less than stellar quality and spanish subtitles you can watch it on YouTube..

Other » When a beloved celebrity dies » January 16, 2016 4:26 pm

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I used to own the tapes, too.. Then I sold my tape deck with one of them still inside, so of course I had to invest in the CD- version.. Too bad. I also.. erm.. keep safe for a friend.. her.. safety copies of several older movies that are hard to come by from here, An Awfully Big Adventure, Rasputin, Truly, Madly, Deeply and so on.

I don't know "the boy in the Bubble" yet, I will  look out for it! Probably I don't have to tell you about several of his narrations on youtube..

Other » When a beloved celebrity dies » January 16, 2016 4:06 pm

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That's a great story, Mattlocked, thanks for sharing!  and a nice collection, too..

Here is a very bad pic of the legal part of my slightly smaller but yet fine collection: 



A big German newspaper titled about Alan "The magic remains", and I think this is indeed a consoling thought, that we still have so much of his work to enjoy. (Sigh)

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