Willow wrote:

For me, perhaps the greatest tragedy of His Last Vow is that it so cruelly shatters the faith Sherlock expressed in his Best Man's speech in the preceding episode:

"[I am] the best friend of the bravest, kindest and wisest human being I have ever had the good fortune of knowing. John, I am a ridiculous man, redeemed only by the warmth and constancy of your friendship....so know this: today you sit between the woman you have made your wife and the man you have saved-- in short, the two people who love you most in all this world. And I know I speak for Mary as well, when I say we will never let you down, and we have a lifetime ahead to prove that."

Sherlock's lifetime ahead proved not to be very long; he had to come back from flatlining to try to protect John.

Mary, on the other hand, let down John rather greatly by shooting the man who loved John most in all this world.

He thought he was speaking for Mary, but he wasn't. And all his faith was misplaced, and I find that immensely sad   

Not only did Mary let John down by shooting Sherlock she let him down by lying to him every single day since he met her.

 

tonnaree wrote:

I also think that RPS is crossing a line.  It just feels very wrong to me.

That said however I love my slash.  Art or Fic.  Explcit.   But for gods sack keep it in the fandom.  Don't send it to the actors themselves!  If I were ever lucky enough to meet any of the cast of Sherlock in person I wouldn't use that chance to say, I sure do wish John and Sherlock would shag.  The actors and writers and directors have produced a wonderful piece of art that in turn has inspired fans to create art of their own.  But they don't owe us anything else.  And if that art is brought to their attention they have every right to have an opinon on it.

 
Absolutely agree. I love the slash and fanart too and none of it is intended for anyone else but the fans. I resent people like Graham Norton or Caitlin Moran rubbing the actors and producers noses in it, not to mention every interview that brings it up. Because of that we now have a backlash of sorts that has started to affect the show. Anderson has morphed into the "crazy fan" who has a Johnlock picture on his mantel. And if anyone thinks the sheriarty moment was anything but mockery really needs to reread every thing Moffat has said about Johnlock over the past two years.

When is the last time we've heard anyone associated with the show refer to it as a love story? Yet they will publish photos of Ben and Martin HOLDING HANDS in character (drunk name game) and call us crazy for assuming it means anything other than "best friends."

My love for this show is second to none but this season as left me very unsettled. And I just can't put my finger on why.

The only question I have about John's stag night is: where were the rest of his friends?

Ozma wrote:

dartmoordoggers wrote:

I suppose all options are open; although they do not have to resolve the Mary issue for some time. She could spend the next five years  at home looking after the baby and become a minor character like Donovan or Anderson.
Can't see another story based on keeping her past secret; they have already done that.  
And I think any attempt to turn the programme into Team Sherlock/John/Mary would defeat the whole point of the show. It would no longer be Sherlock.

I agree. It would no longer be Sherlock.
But it’s not going to happen (well I very much hope it’s not). Mary has fallen from grace now, I don’t think she’ll stick around for long.
Because if she does, you can forget she’ll just sit at home with the baby – yes she wanted to leave her past life behind, but when John went to the drug den she was still quick to go with him even after he protested that she was pregnant.
 
She’s not staying for long.
 
I wonder if she has any connection with Moriarty.

"But Ricky - I want to join the band!"

My biggest concern when I found out about Mary for this season is exactly that; that she would become part of the team. We've already seen some of that with the way she follows the boys around to "help."  Now that they've established she's a badass there's no reason why she can't. I suppose she can put the baby in a snuggli and bring it along since I assume she's a modern mom. </sarcasm>
 

Ozma wrote:

shezza wrote:

I think that by HLV John has completely forgiven Sherlock. His composed reaction at the goodbye scene I think is due to three things:

a) he's a married man with a kid on the way. Like y'all are saying, he's moved on. He has other responsabilities now, and he has "a new game" to play (namely fatherhood). It's Sherlock who hasn't moved on (how could he?).

b) He doesn't know Sherlock's in mortal danger. Even if Sherlock outright tells him it's unlikely they'll ever see each other again, that must be small fries in comparison with the grief he felt after he saw his best friend jump to his "death" two years earlier. He's probably thinking that Sherlock will reappear, like he always does.

c) There's his wife and Mycroft looking on.

I think the fact that Mary, and especially Mycroft are there looking at them is one of the main things for John. As we've seen in TEH, in the underground scene, John found it hard but still forced himself to say the words he wanted to say to Sherlock - because they were alone. So much so that he even made him swear not to tell anyone once he found out they were safe.

At the airport they are not alone, and even though probably Mary and Mycroft are unable to hear them, they can still see them and this is a problem for John.

 

In a lot of ways John is even more emotionally stunted than Sherlock. With very few exceptions, his emotional range seems to be humor, irritation and anger. Boy, can he do anger. But those are emotions hetero males are allowed to freely express in our culture without any implication of Teh Gay. Because God knows, John is not even the slightest bit gay. Nope, not a bit, because he'll be sure to tell you, and, oops, here comes that irritation again!
 

Bruce Cook wrote:

Image 12: Lastly, this 'very obviously suggesting a new brother' scene.

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Yep, the whole town's a-buzz from that little revelation.  But since there was never a clear indication in any Sherlock Holmes story that Sherlock and Mycroft had a brother, I doubt Moffat and Gatiss will pull one out of their bums in violation of official Sherlock canon.  But we shall see.

Moffat and Gatiss have already pulled all kinds of non-Canonical things out of their bums, so why not the mythical Sherrinford Holmes? Can't be any worse than making Mary Watson a trained killer.
 

lil wrote:

Looking for the logical explanation....
As a huge fan of the writers, and having faith in what they do, and thanking them for the best thing on tv in decades...  I think in the end we must.. look for the logical explanation and have faith in them ,and that they know what they are doing. In particular with Mary.
So looking back on Mary's story arch from the start I have a few final thoughts.

When she was introduced ,we all instantly liked and related with her , when she said " I'l talk him round." and " I like him." we all fell into the we like @ relate to Mary trap as intended. Yes yes we think that ! and we too like Sherlock ! and we too want John and Sherlock reconciled and back... being John and Sherlock .
As her story line progressed we related more... planning weddings and folding napkins with Sherlock..encouraging them to go off out on a run..adventure . The cutesy Mary sue moments..oh whoa yes we like her , we want to be her ,we relate to that don't we?
( like lambs to the slaughter.....)
However by the time we get to the end of her story ...we can longer relate . Why? Had she , as in canon , shot this evil disgusting blackmailer and had sh/jw witnessed the whole thing from behind the curtain...then yes whoa, we can relate thats all fine , thats forgivable. That would be no problem.
But she didn't , she shot Sherlock. so we are hmmmm. Can we relate to that ?
Then to add to that, we are given the addition that , thats what she does.. her past is so shockingly horrible no one could/would love her if they knew . A cia agent/assasin/ killer for hire that shoots Sherlock. It is all very bad.
 Can we relate to that and do we even want to?
 Hmm now its all a bit messy and complicated isn't it . For most of us it is no .
So ok if this is intentional ... why ?

When contrasted with Sherlocks arch in this story , and the relationship between him and John we see how things should be...it is so beautiful and perfect...protecting each other ...the loss...th

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