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| The Empty Hearse » Canon Nods » January 2, 2014 10:45 pm |
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the train station stop is given as "Sumatra Road". BTW I grew up round the corner from Sumatra Road, as it happens (I think there is only one in London) and there is no train stop there, though the line it would presumably be on is the Jubilee Line which runs to Baker Street. It lies between West Hampstead station and Kilburn, both on the Jubilee line.
| The Empty Hearse » So that "clue everyone has missed". Do we know what that is? » January 2, 2014 10:43 pm |
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sj4iy wrote:I think they meant that there was a dead guy out there that looked like Sherlock.
actually, yeah, that works. I don't remember seeing that anywhere and I remember going "duh, of course" when Sherlock said it.
| The Empty Hearse » Sherlock's Parents » January 2, 2014 10:24 pm |
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Swanpride wrote:
Would go against canon, though, in which they have quite an interesting heritage (at least the bits we know about). Plus, posh vs higher middle class is one of the running themes of the stories. I would miss something if they take this away from them. Therefore I prefer to think that his parents are actually posh, but able to relax when they are on "holiday" so to speak.
No, it doesn't go against canon. Canon is that Holmes ancestors were "county squires". Heaven knows what the modern equivalent of that is really. And that his great uncle was the French painter Vernet. Canon says nothing whatsohever about his actual parents, nor his other three grandparents. I don't see any canonical inconsistency.
I don't especially want Sherlock to be posh. I really like the idea that he isn't, and that it is an act. I do think that there are certainly hints of this in Mycroft's speech patterns, and phrases. I know that Gatiss is northern and has specific speech patterns himself but he is a writer and an actor so will be very aware of these and certainly able to write them out-he has chosen to leave them in. The idea of the Holmes brothers as such absolutely consumate actors that they can blend into the upper class is a really great one, I think and much more interesting than them just being toffs. But obviously, ymmv on this one.
I may be missing something but I am not sure I would agree that posh vs upper class is a theme of the stories, really. Do you mean the originals? if so i would say holmes is reasonably consistently on the side of the financial underdog.
| The Empty Hearse » So that "clue everyone has missed". Do we know what that is? » January 2, 2014 10:14 pm |
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but...I think that was suggested, wasn't it, that sherlock was in on it from the start and that it was all planned?
I am sure either Mofatt or Gatiss has made a similar statement more recently about no one getting it.
| The Empty Hearse » So that "clue everyone has missed". Do we know what that is? » January 2, 2014 9:47 pm |
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(I do realise there is an strong argument for us not actually having heard the true in Sherlock's explaination to Anderson)
| The Empty Hearse » Mycroft » January 2, 2014 9:43 pm |
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Mycroft is the best character. He should deffo get his own spin off.
| The Empty Hearse » What did Sherlock deduce about Molly's fiance? » January 2, 2014 9:41 pm |
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I actually am not sure what I think. I started off thinking it was just that he looked a lot like Sherlock. The thing is, Lestrade seemed to be in on it too. I'm wondering now if they were laughing because he looked like Sherlock...BUT that this will turn out to significant. Moftiss are all about the Chekhov gun.
| The Empty Hearse » There's something about Mary » January 2, 2014 9:38 pm |
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yes I think the kidnap is Mary related not sherlock related. First off, the text came to her. Second, Sherlock doesn't get it. I need to watch it properly, I was only half watching last night...
| The Empty Hearse » Sherlock's Parents » January 2, 2014 9:36 pm |
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I think it was really great that they were ordinary. That was a really splendid twist, because of course the assuption has tended to be that they are very rich and dead whereas in fact Sherlock does not mention them because he is ashamed of how ordinary they are. I don't even think they are especially posh, though I didn't listen closely. I do really like the suggestion that Sherlock and Mycroft are REALLY ordinary. Although they might have gone to a private school and so aquired that background, that that would be because they got scholarships, not because they come from that kind of family. That they have created themselves.
| The Empty Hearse » There's something about Mary » January 2, 2014 9:22 pm |
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Swanpride wrote:
Perhaps she was just smart enough to recognize the skip code? It's not that complicated, after all. A better question would be why it was send to her and not to Sherlock.
Sure, but that's useful information about her character. She is estabished as knowing the words to use to describe the code to Sherlock. And yet we also know she is a liar, and disillusoned (from the SherlockScan) and working as a receptionist. It feels like a Chekhovian gun.
Oh I read Guardian as newspaper, but I don't actually see any reason why Guardian shouldn't be capitalised if it was a role, iyswim. Actually, we also know she is a Lib Dem, and IME the Guardian would not tend to be the paper of choice for a Lib Dem as it is a left wing paper and the Lib Dems are a centrist party. So my money is actually on her being a Guardian. Also, I think the SherlockScan would have said Guardian reader.
eta sorry she is a nurse. is she working as a nurse in John's surgery? Not clear. And why is she a part time nurse? what is she doing the rest of the time? Nurses don't earn loads.
| The Empty Hearse » There's something about Mary » January 2, 2014 9:11 am |
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There is something about her though, she is very unexplained. How did she get the skip code so fast?
I am assuming she was planted, say to watch John, and then she fell in love with him. I am guessing that the fact John was abducted is related to her, not Sherlock. I think she is concealing something huge,
| Series Three News » Series 3 Countdown (Just for fun) » January 1, 2014 10:28 pm |
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well. I am interested in the reaction-I assume the locked forum will be opened in, oh, two minutes time?
Twitter seems underwhelmed.
| Series Three News » Series 3 Countdown (Just for fun) » January 1, 2014 9:24 pm |
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I don't have a tv license so I am actually waiting with the rest of you, despite being in the UK (we need a tv license to watch broadcast tv, but can download episodes afterwards)
| Series Three News » Series 3 Countdown (Just for fun) » January 1, 2014 9:21 pm |
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I don't have a tv license so I am actually waiting with the rest of you, despite being in the UK (we need a tv license to watch broadcast tv, but can download episodes afterwards)
| The Reichenbach Fall » Rock solid theory after watching for the 1st time. Big time spoiler. » January 1, 2014 8:17 pm |
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as a chemist, I would really, really love it if this theory were correct. And I would kick myself so very hard.
| Series Three Suggestions & Ideas » Is Moriarty dead? » December 15, 2013 9:37 pm |
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Well.
I think he is a good character. I'd have certainly been happy with him in more episodes.
But. I think he carries out a specific purpose and that purpose is over. Moriaty-in all Sherlockiana- is a very 2D character anyway. He's basically there to be chillingly evil, the only differnence is what the directors of a particular show see as chillingly evil. This Moriaty was a bit different in that he wasn't a posh English guy, but that was about it. The Moriaty role doesn't change hugely IMO.
(interestingly, while I think he's always 2D in the films, he really tends not to be in pastiche. He's normally a moral villain there).
So, I think while I really enjoy the character, he does also belong in a specific time and he kind of stops Sherlock from growing up, iykwim. So yes I think he has to be dead.
| Series Three Suggestions & Ideas » Ok then, so "the clue everyone's missed." Your best guess. » December 15, 2013 9:28 pm |
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Lets see if any of us have found it. I'm guessing by tommorrow the internet will be crawling with spoliers so this is the last chance.
Post your best guess.
Here's mine.
The hand that pulls John's away from Sherlock after the fall is wearing a ring on the right hand, the same as Mycroft and as Anthea. I think this indicates that she, and by extension all the people surrounding Sherlock, are working with Mycroft.
Next?
| Series Three News » World Premiere of The Empty Hearse on 15 Dec. » November 6, 2013 7:32 pm |
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I do hope we get an over Christmas airdate. That would be nice. I'm guessing its going to be very close to January 1st because that's when it was last time. And that was very nice. OTOH its going to have to be soon, regardless.
For me, actually, spoilers are quite helpful as I have two Sherlock Holmes mad kids. Not Sherlock mad, but Sherlock Holmes mad, in that they've read the books, and seen the early Jeremy Brett/Granada episodes. But they are really, at 8 and 10, too young for many of the Sherlock episodes IMO, so spoilers are quite helpful for me. OTOH I'm not that bothered by them. I mean, I've read the books, I know roughly what happens, spoilers don't stop me enjoying the show at all. I'm coming at this as a diehard Sherlock Holmes fan, and my test is how well the show stands up to the books (very well indeed IMO). I totally respect other people not wanting spoilers though and I'd never ruin it for anyone else.
I have to say, I'd rather have a nice holiday airdate than asap. I do accept I might be entirely alone in this...
| Sherlock Poetry, Stories & Books » 221B- Starrett poem » October 7, 2013 6:33 pm |
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Can I add that Vincent Starrett wrote one of the all time best Sherlock Holmes pastiches? I'm trying to remember what its called..but if you are reading a compilation of Sherlock Holmes "further adventures" and you see one by Vincent Starrett, make rapidly for it. Its out of print afaik but shows up on collections.
| Sherlock Poetry, Stories & Books » Aww....Death of Cardinal Tosca not released til November! » October 7, 2013 6:22 pm |
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Ok I can take the wait til Sherlock series 3...but I need my Hugh Ashton fix! (to explain, the website initially gave a September release...but now its November)
Ah well...
(btw if anyone hasn't heard of his stuff...I think its really good, tone and plot wise. I've read quite a lot of Holmesain pastiche over the years and this is def worth a look if you're into that kind of thing. He's working through the referenced but unrecorded tales and its pretty interesting to see what he comes up with. Oh- its based on the stories, not the show Take a look.)
