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| General Sherlock Discussion » Downloading Season 3 » January 17, 2014 10:05 pm |
- SherlocklivesinOH
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U.S. people: US itunes is advertising a "Season 3" product, but I can't tell if it's the episodes or just the documentaries about the making of the show.
| Benedict's Press » Benedict Was Almost Afraid to Play Sherlock... » January 17, 2014 7:47 pm |
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Do you know, someone mentioned to me that BBC had their doubts about whether he should be cast...because they afraid he wasn't sexy enough?
| General Sherlock Discussion » Downloading Season 3 » January 17, 2014 7:35 pm |
- SherlocklivesinOH
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I am in the US and have not seen Season 3 yet. (Seems sometimes like I'm the only one?)
Someone else from the US saw the episodes at the UK dates by downloading them, via app, from the BBC web site.
Now, I don't have a smart phone....my phone is an older-style cell phone, so everything I do electronically is on my main computer, so I don't do many apps.
I didn't want to watch a "bootlegged" or illegally shared file. (Apparently the BBC-dowload thing is legal, and free, but they probably don't want it shared.)
Itunes is now showing a Season 3, but when you look at it closely, it shows that the "episodes" are documentaries ABOUT the show; however the caption says it has the episodes?
Or, maybe the episodes will be there after this weekend? Any other suggestions for downloading?
| General Sherlock Discussion » You know you're obsessed with Sherlock when... » January 17, 2014 7:30 pm |
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gently69 wrote:... you have a song in your head, which you can't get rid of... "Do hear you the people sing?" and don't connect it to "Les Mis" but to Sherlock.
I'm not sure where the connection is....but I haven't seen ANY Season 3 yet.
You know you're obsessed...when you think the gay couple you're related to look like Holmes and Watson. (They are scarily the same contrast of physical types as the Holmes and Watson of canon...one is much taller and thinner than the other. They are also big fans of canon...but too purist to watch BBC...and convinced that Holmes is asexual.)
It never seems to be the gay men who are slashers...it's the women who like Brett, Cumberbatch, etc.
| It's Canon » Which are the 'Johnlock' moments from Canon ? » January 17, 2014 5:19 pm |
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And let's not forget DYIN, where Holmes tells Watson to hide: "Quick, man, if you love me!" And of course, Watson obeys, as always.
| Character Analysis » Anderson in Many Happy Returns » January 17, 2014 5:15 pm |
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sj4iy wrote:SherlocklivesinOH wrote:
Oh, and to follow up on my discussion of Anderson vs. John: Doesn't John have a line something like, "The press always turn. They'll turn against you?"
Which turns out to be accurate, of course, but I don't like that it was John who told Sherlock that. I want John to be caught up in the Sherlock-worship. In canon, he's much more that: there are lines where he calls Holmes his "master," and "the man whom above all others I revere."I think the creators of this show wanted to make Watson more equal to Holmes, because it's unlikely they would be friends if John were constantly fawning over him. Sherlock wouldn't have the patience for it after a while. I think it balances out better this way because, even though Sherlock is clearly the 'leader' in the relationship, they both give and take much more than in the original stories, and it's a more believable scenario for two modern day men.
John's warning about the press turning makes it sound like Sherlock is loving the attention and John is afraid he's getting too "hooked" on it. Do you think that was the case? Sherlock is notorious for not caring what anyone thinks of him...maybe it's more like he doesn't care if people think he's a jerk, but he does want them to think he's a genius and a great detective.
And, after all, if enough people are convinced he's a fake, he won't get any cases, and then he'll be bored. That's the kind of thing that motivates an "Aspie."
| Sherlock Poetry, Stories & Books » Book Club 22/03/12 (EMPT) » January 17, 2014 4:55 pm |
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tobeornot221b wrote:
I'm afraid I get het up a bit over the Empty House story...
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Apart from the case which I find quite enjoyable…
(rant mode on)
…I absolutely dislike the way Holmes behaves towards Watson.
And I fail to understand the way Watson behaves towards Holmes!
Examples:
"My dear Watson," said the well-remembered voice, "I owe you a thousand apologies. I had no idea that you would be so affected… I have given you a serious shock by my unnecessarily dramatic reappearance."
Sincere regret looks different, Mr. Holmes! How dare you getting yourself out so easily! Do you have the slightest idea what you’ve been doing to your friend?
Holmes: "You'll come with me to-night?"
Watson: "When you like and where you like."
Have you taken leave of your senses, Dr. Watson? Everything is forgotten and forgiven in an instant? Kicking his knee would be an acceptable behaviour – in no way this servile behaviour!
"I had only one confidant -- my brother Mycroft. I owe you many apologies, my dear Watson, but it was all-important that it should be thought I was dead, and it is quite certain that you would not have written so convincing an account of my unhappy end had you not yourself thought that it was true. Several times during the last three years I have taken up my pen to write to you, but always I feared lest your affectionate regard for me should tempt you to some indiscretion which would betray my secret."
What about an “affectionate regard� for your friend Watson, Mr. Holmes? Hasn’t there been any?
"I found myself in my old armchair in my own old room, and only wishing that I could have seen my old friend Watson in the other chair which he has so often adorned."
Well, at least here Holmes shows some affection. He does miss his Watson!
(No, not really… It’s nothing but selfishness!)
I’m disappointed in you, Sir Arthur.
To me, it seems that you didn’t feel much like el
| Suggestions, Questions & Technical Help » Is there such a thing as "too old to add to?" » January 17, 2014 4:47 pm |
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Too old of a thread, I mean?
I joined last week, and have commented in some of the Book Club threads that it seems like everyone was "done" with - one was SCAN from September and one was FINA from July.
Is this ok?
Is a thread ever too old to add a comment?
| Sherlock Poetry, Stories & Books » Book Club 04/04/12 (FINA) » January 17, 2014 4:33 pm |
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.Doyle really intended Holmes to be gone forever...and yet, to a modern reader, EVERYTHING about the circumstances REEKS of "faked death":
- no body
- a very good reason for not trying harder to find the body
- the narrator / hero / one that we trust does not actually SEE the death
- the reason Watson isn't there to witness the confrontation is a little flimsy in that, it's hard to believe Watson was so easily persuaded to abandon Holmes
Whereas Moffit and Gattis clearly intended from the first that Sherlock wouldn't be dead...yet they changed the circumstances and manner of death considerably into a form of death that's much HARDER to fake. Why not have Sherlock jump into a body of water? Is it the fact that no body = not really dead is a popular idea, so you would expect John and others in-universe to guess that he wasn't dead if there was no body?
| Books » Has Anyone Read The Sherlockian by Graham Moore? » January 17, 2014 2:53 am |
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Half of the story (every other chapter) is a present-day mystery: the search for a lost diary of Doyle's (there really is one missing!)
The other half is Arthur Conan Doyle's quest to solve crimes in Sherlockian fashion, after he has killed off Holmes (and is getting HELL from readers for it.)
The crime are mostly the murders of young women.
The suffragists / feminists are mad at Doyle (with good reason, he is not their ally). But they ENCOURAGE the revival of Sherlock Holmes (it never seems to occur to them to boycott Holmes because they're offended by Doyle, as many modern activists would
). In fact, it is implied that these real-life crimes and the plight of the women are the reason Doyle brings Holmes back.
Holmes seems to stand for some principle or ideal that they want to "revive" but I'm not exactly sure what that was.
The "Doyle" parts of the book ARE based on the life of Doyle as it is known...but there IS one volume of the diary that was never found, as the author explains in an afterward.
Also (assuming this part is accurate), although Doyle opposes women's suffrage, he falls in love with a woman who is "unafraid to think and express herself as if she were a man"...which he admires her for.
| It's Canon » Which are the 'Johnlock' moments from Canon ? » January 17, 2014 2:02 am |
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In "The Retired Colorman," Holmes actually says, "With your natural advantages, Watson, every lady is your helper and accomplice." This is in the context of assigning Watson to interview females who may be potential witnesses or have information, but still, it's Holmes commenting on Watson's attractiveness.
| General Benedict Appreciation » Sherlock's Popularity with Women, In-Universe » January 17, 2014 1:57 am |
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Even the granted the differences in how people were supposed to behave in canon-era, you did have men and women pairing off. But not Holmes - if a female client or interview subject is attracted to anyone, it's Watson. (Holmes even comments on it.) On the other hand, real-life women were into Holmes, in that era, when they read the stories. The illustrators made him more physically attractive than Doyle intended.
| Sherlock Poetry, Stories & Books » Book Club 2nd Sept (SCAN) » January 17, 2014 1:55 am |
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Obviously the presention of women in canon is limited by the times, but I don't think that Doyle necessarily portrayed women as immoral, terrible, or whatever. There are actually very few truly wicked women (and there are some pretty terrible men). In fact, I would say that a LOT of the women are portrayed as either smarter than or morally superior to the men around them, or both:
Irene vs the King
Grace Dunbar vs Neal Gibson
Violet Smith vs her employers
Hattie Doran was probably at least smarter than Lord St. Simon.
And Holmes is often sympathetic to women and refrains from exposing their crimes.
I think the worst thing Holmes does, in terms of sexism is not telling Miss Sutherland the truth at the end of IDEN. Maybe he's right and she wouldn't take it well, but he should have at least tried to tell her, for her own protection.
That seems like a sellout of a client's interests. On the other hand, I would LIKE to think he kind of purposely blew the case in SCAN.
| It's Canon » Which are the 'Johnlock' moments from Canon ? » January 17, 2014 1:49 am |
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Much of the "Johnlock" from canon stems from Holmes' lack of interest in women and perhaps some other traits that are (admittedly stereotypically) associated with being gay, while some people view Watson as a ladies' man.
But if you read closely (and it took the Decoding the Subtext blog to make me aware of this) there is actually MORE evidence for Watson being attracted to men:
He is forever commenting on:
- Holmes' physical features
- Holmes' physical stamia and prowess
- the looks of other men they meet
Not to mention that he:
- drops everything the moment Holmes calls
- thinks it was WORTH GETTING SHOT to see concern (and perhaps love) in Holmes' eyes.
If Holmes is asexual, than maybe it's "safer" (both psychologically and, at that time, legally) for him to be interested in someone who won't lead him into acting on it.
| A Study In Pink » All the "gay" references to John » January 14, 2014 1:05 am |
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"There is nothing between them but deep friendship. Sherlock has no sentiments and John is only interested in women.
Sorry, but that's the truth. Since ACD. And ever after. Anyone maintaining the contrary will be punished to watch no less
than three hours of Jeremy Brett." (Source Unknown)
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This quote is funny, because if there is any interpretation of Sherlock Holmes that really makes him seem gay, it's Jeremy Brett.
And in canon, some of the way Watson describes Holmes (physically) would sound like romantic attraction if said today.
Of course, we all remember Mycroft's infamous, "happy announcement by the end of the week," crack, but there is a far more subtle "Johnlock," moment here.
Mycroft: What is your connection to Sherlock Holmes?
John: I don't have one. I hardly know him. I met him (beat) yesterday.
It's that pause before "yesterday." As if John has already kind of forgotten, or has to think a bit to remember, that it WAS only yesterday. As if it's already hard for him to remember his life without Sherlock.
And I think Mycroft's crack is actually a rather realistic crack by one sibling about another...teasing your sibling about someone you think they have a crush on.
| General Sherlock Discussion » I REALIZE it's Probably Not Deliberate » January 13, 2014 3:53 am |
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I guess this goes on my list of "Things I'd like to see in Season 3": I'd like to see a kind of Sherlock-worshipping cult, who choose to believe there's something supernatural in his not being dead, in-universe, possibly including some of those who originally hated him.
| Meet The Members » Meet the Members! » January 13, 2014 3:37 am |
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liederlady221b wrote:
Hello! I'm liederlady221b, but I also answer to D.
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-I'm from Pittsburgh, born and raised.
-I'm 56, female, single, an editor by trade (business writing), and adore the well-written word, which is why Doyle appealed to me at an early age (11).
-I'm a Virgo, and a perfectionist, but don't really follow astrology.
-I was born on the same day Jack the Ripper killed his first victim (but 69 years later), but I'm not certain that's why I like learning about real-life crimes or favor a certain consulting detective (who loves serial killers). One never knows though.
-Sherlock initially wanted to be a pirate; I wanted to be a veterinarian until, at age 6, someone mean told me I'd have to euthanize animals. After that, I wanted to write and my first story was about animals (not a hound, though).
-Real life issues (caregiving, work, illness, work, school) has often sidetracked my love of Sherlock Holmes and classic Holmes interpretations, but I'm still going strong for BBC Sherlock (and Benedict) after three-and-a-half years.
-I love reading good Sherlock Holmes fan fiction, general and slash, and have written several slash stories. I ship H/W, S/J.
-My pseudonym is inspired by canon.
-I love Shakespeare; Hamlet is my favorite of his works.
-I also love Dickens, and Nicholas Nickleby and A Tale of Two Cities are my Dickensian faves.
-I love live theater; the last plays I saw were August: Osage County (yes, because of Ben) and War Horse (no, I loved it before he was cast).
-I LOVE the many in-jokes and canon references Gatiss and Moffat work in to the Sherlock episodes (I'm still squeeing over Baron Maupertius and his "colossal" scheme!).
-I don't watch much TV anymore because of reality crap and lack of good writing in non-reality crap, it's mostly PBS stuff, The Good Wife, Mad Men, and vintage films (mostly from the 30s through the 60s). I try
| Sherlock Poetry, Stories & Books » Book Club 2nd Sept (SCAN) » January 13, 2014 2:16 am |
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Actually, in SCAN in canon it seems like Holmes and Irene both make some blunders. Holmes in not paying better attention when someone says "Goodnight Mr. Holmes," and perhaps more significantly, in taking off without the photograph the first time he visits Irene's place. (I would almost like to believe that he was "taking a dive," i.e., trying not to win.)
And Irene's potential blunder: if we assume she originally had some intention of sending the King's fiance the photograph, she told him exactly when and how, and having that information made it easier for Holmes. However, as I said, I don't take the King's word that she ever had the real intention of sending the photograph, as he claimed.
Note how Holmes hoped that Irene loved her new husband, because it would solve the King's problem. If he had feelings for her, he wouldn't see her being in love with someone else in a positive light. On the other hand, the King doesn't seem to want to believe Irene loves her new husband. It's like even though he can't officially marry her, he still wants her for himself.
| It's Canon » Besides Watson... » January 13, 2014 2:09 am |
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Another male character who some slashers think has a crush on Holmes in canon is Stanley Hopkins. There is a certain logic to this: he displays admiration much like Watson does, so if Watson's is a "code" for having a crush, Hopkins' could be too.
Could Molly be a stand-in for Hopkins? Holmes was quite a bit nicer to Hopkins, and spoke more highly of his abilities, than Sherlock does about Molly.
| A Scandal In Belgravia » Some comments about Sherlock's interactions with Irene and Molly » January 13, 2014 2:06 am |
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These are comments I found on Youtube and such with clips of SCAN: do you agree:
After Irene says her infamous "have you on the desk," line - that if John hadn't been there, Sherlock would have taken her up on it (I do think he seems a bit too attracted to her, considering this is supposed to be based on a character who is apparently either asexual or somewhat in love with a male friend) The fact that they both claim to be "playing" with the other HEIGHTENS the tension...like in Harlequinn romances.
Sherlock's saving Irene means he loves her
Irene's smile at the end means she's in love with Shelock, and happy, not just to be alive, but to be saved by her "prince"
Sherlock apologizing to Molly shows he finally knows what love is - because he's in love with Irene.
When Sherlock tells Molly what Moriarty is up to and tells her to avoid relationships for the sake of law and order, it's Sherlock-speak for "Don't date anyone else because I want you for myself."
Now, I'm a Johnlock person...but if I hadn't read canon and had seen only this series, I would probably have thought Sherlock was into Irene, too.
