His Last Vow » Pressure Points » January 13, 2014 4:05 pm |
Its a fair point regarding the timescale, that this is technically now in the future. But there is going to be a season 5, apparently. I don't believe they will kill the baby, even if they kill Mary. (you don't ever do that in British TV really). I don't think therefore they will kill Mary because, pragmatically, what do they do about the baby when John wants to go off adventuring? Yes they could both die in childbirth and yes that would be tragic but...I think the more interesting idea is to have them both alive, and see a rounded family man John who also has the adrenaline junkie thing going on, and I think Moftiss can pretty much always be said to take both the interesting options and the ones which allow for most character growth.
His Last Vow » Pressure Points » January 13, 2014 3:51 pm |
Ozma wrote:
kazza474 wrote:
beekeeper wrote:
I don't think Moftiss will have made a mistake regarding Sherlock not being John's. I think that is a huge deal. I think it shows how much things have moved on for John. And that bit at the end where he goes off...getting married and having a baby changes you. There is no way on this earth that any half decent father or mother would put their relationship with Sherlock above their kid. One thing I think Mofatt stands out for writing realistically and well is parental emotions.
She's only pregnant at this stage, do you really think there will be a baby?
I don't think so. Unless they start series 4 with another jump in time, and the baby is already born and grown up a bit, too. (God, I HOPE NOT).
I heard Amanda Abbington said something along the lines of, she was very happy to play Mary because 'she gets to die in John's arms.'
Has anyone else heard this anywhere?
they have always honoured real time in some way, so they have always, I think, set the series at the correct time by the end of the episode (I am not 100% sure about this with SiB actually but thereabouts). Anyway, that makes the whole baby thing a bit interesting because if we have another two years to wait then we are looking at a toddler.
OTOH the experience of losing a child is going to be an amazingly devastating one. Its something Moffat has handled before,pretty well and effectively for prime time kids tv, in Dr Who with the Amy Pond/River Song arc, though that was a bit of a dodge in some ways. Its a hard one because any possibility of Mary being content to keep the home fires burning and stay home while John goes and has adventues has been a bit scuppered too really, she's obviously not that type and that's why she's great.
So for me I think this is the big mystery. How are they going to deal with this? Very interested to see. I am certainly in the camp who is glad we have Mary and glad she survived the episode
General Sherlock Discussion » I REALIZE it's Probably Not Deliberate » January 13, 2014 3:38 pm |
I tend to agree with those who say these are just themes in our culture. I think they are common to most big arc/prolonged stories. You get them in everything from Harry Potter to the X files to House.
Latest News » Sherlock could be back in time for Christmas » January 13, 2014 3:36 pm |
now don't get me wrong., that would be splendid but....
we had pretty much exactly the same announcement last time, tbh, that we might have Sherlock 3 before the year was out. And in the end it was two years.
TBH I am cool with it taking as long as it takes. (and also, I've been hooked since the first episode so waiting and Sherlock are pretty synonymous to me).
His Last Vow » John? Out of character? » January 13, 2014 10:09 am |
I have to say, I liked the ending. John clearly made a choice, between the adrenalin junkie life of old, where he spent two years grieving Sherlock only for him to treat it all as a joke, and his new life. I don't think anyone who knows Mycroft and Sherlock would actually believe for a moment that Sherlock WAS going on an actual suicide mission. John really must be "yeah, ok, see you in a few months then" at this point.
His Last Vow » Pressure Points » January 13, 2014 9:53 am |
Ozma wrote:
Punch me in the face wrote:
Oh and M.I.6 what does that mean? Does it refer to the 3rd Holmes brother? (i don't think so as "brother" is not plural)
The MI6 is the British Secret Services, where Mycroft works.
It is interesting that MI 6 is listed not MI 5. Basically MI 6 is international, MI 5 is UK internal. It does make him basically a spy, which I am not sure what I think about. I liked the vagueness of the canon regarding his job. I would have personally liked to see a ????? against his job.
I don't think Moftiss will have made a mistake regarding Sherlock not being John's. I think that is a huge deal. I think it shows how much things have moved on for John. And that bit at the end where he goes off...getting married and having a baby changes you. There is no way on this earth that any half decent father or mother would put their relationship with Sherlock above their kid. One thing I think Mofatt stands out for writing realistically and well is parental emotions.
His Last Vow » Where's Tom? » January 13, 2014 9:47 am |
I probably totally missed this one. Do we know Tom isn't Moran? Or the guy with the remarkable resemblance to Sherlock that Moriaty used (yes I know Sherlock said there would be a body in a morgue looking like him but...). I do like the idea that Molly's running joke is her ability to pick men who turn out to be psychopaths.
His Last Vow » The other brother - my head just exploded » January 13, 2014 9:40 am |
dartmoordoggers wrote:
This was floating around the twittersphere between S1 and 2. Basically Mycroft upset mummy by exposing an affair. The result of that affair, Moriarty being the half brother of Sherlock. 'You are me'.
I think that is consistent with previous pastiche-it is the Seven Percent Solution? I am sure I remember Moftiss saying that they were seeing that as their backstory. An affair between the parents exposed by Sherlock. BUT BUT BUT I really wonder if they have changed their minds. I actually love the idea of Sherlock as being a rather overindulged, very bright kid from a family that is entirely normal in a British eccentric way.
To me, it no longer FEELS right that this should be the backstory. The Holmes parents felt like kind, loving parents, who are possibly the only people who can actually handle these boys they have produced.
Also, - genuis mother, genuis kids, ordinary father, affair. Isn't that actually Frasier?
I really hope Moriaty is not the half brother. Its too X files (Krycek as Mulder's brother via Cigarette Smoking Man) for me. Yes it all adds up beautifully. It explains both moriaty's genius and his obsession with the Holmes brother. But it is still a serious shark jump. Just once, maybe a serious antagonist could NOT be biologically related to the protagonist.
His Last Vow » Drugs: Do you believe Sherlock? » January 13, 2014 9:12 am |
Sherli Bakerst wrote:
When he was in the hospital at one point, he ups the dose of morphine but then almost immediately he lowers it. That to me indicates that Sherlock feels he can control his ingestion of whatever he was taking in the drug den and that he isn't addicted in the same way he might have been at an earlier time in his life.
Or, now he has John back, he doesn't need morphine.
I agree with those who say that the behaviour entirely mirrors the canon. ACD tells us that after John tells him he is engaged, Sherlock's first action is to reach for the cocaine. I think the Twisted Lip story is conflated here with that so that, tbh, he could be there on a case (Twisted Lip) or he could be taking drugs again (Sign of Four). We don't know.
One point about the Twisted Lip was that Holmes was clean. He wasn't here.
Series Three News » LEGO SHERLOCK: Series 3 - Launch Trailer » January 12, 2014 1:31 pm |
really really awesome! well done is not the word!
Series Three News » LEGO SHERLOCK: Series 3 - Launch Trailer » January 12, 2014 1:19 pm |
really really awesome! well done is not the word!
The Sign of Three » Did anybody count the 3's in the Sign of Three?? » January 12, 2014 11:24 am |
dartmoordoggers wrote:
John said it was a free bar when talking about Harry!
(Sorry. I'll get my coat.)
brilliant
Actually, that's the kind of thing that I reckon would be in there on purpose :-)
The Sign of Three » I wish you weren't......... » January 12, 2014 11:17 am |
Schmiezi wrote:
I think it is just another example for how gorgeously ambiguous the show is. Everyboby can interpret it in a way that fits their likes. It could mean "I wish you weren't in love with John / Molly / Irene / Lestrade / asexual / married to your work / ..."
We will never know, and isn't that lovely?
I agree with this. I love that the show is about possibilities and so much is left unsaid. TBH that's very consistent with the canon.
I also have a leftfield hope, that I am 99% sure isn't going to come true, that Janine will actually have some part to play in His Last Vow and that this line will become sigificant. I did like her character. And I also thought she was quite an odd character, no background, scarcely interacting with Mary, etc. I would love the whiplash from discovering she was actually a spy or a plant or something. And it would tie into the whole "Sherlock knows a lot more about Mary than he has revealed" thing.
General Sherlock Discussion » Series 4 confirmed!! » January 8, 2014 10:52 pm |
Whisky wrote:
I am of course happy about MORE Sherlock!!
But... how likely is it that they'll be able to keep up the quality? And for how long will it continue? Most long running shows don't get better during time. I don't want Sherlock to be anything but awesome... as awesome as it is right now.
I just pray they know what they're doing, and that they are doing it for joy and quality and not for money and popularity.
I think they can keep up the quality because their filming schedule is so drawn out.
The Sign of Three » Red Beard Clue » January 7, 2014 10:55 pm |
Mary Me wrote:
SolarSystem wrote:
tonnaree wrote:
Totally agree. If Sherlock thought for one minute that Mary was a danger he wouldn't hesitate to do something. He's loyalties to John have no boundries.
Just look at the little scene with Mary's Ex. If he interfeared in something as small as that..........Well, but it's possible for her to be both things at the same time... she could be in danger and at the same time be a danger to other people because of the people she herself is endangered by.
That of course. I was just trying to say that I don't believe for one second that she might have bad intentions. For me it rather seems like she wants to leave everything behind. Marry. Have a happy life. Forget about the past.
See I think that we are meant to think that, that Mary is being blackmailed by CAM. I think we are going to discover that the truth is a whole lot complex. For Mary to just be being blackmailed isn't terribly interesting, unless the thing she's being blackmailed over is very compelling or morally complex.
I really do like Mary actually but I like good drama and good writing even more, and I hope they are going to give us something interesting and thought provoking here.
The Sign of Three » Red Beard Clue » January 7, 2014 10:51 pm |
Ozma wrote:
SolarSystem wrote:
b2s wrote:
This... Are there any screenshots from the first ep. when he deduces her? Maybe some hidden clues in there...I would say that there is nothing that indicates Sherlock has deduced more about Mary and keeps this from John. Why would he do that? Why would he allow his best friend to marry a woman who has secrets? Or... might that be part of a plan?
I agree that if he knew, he wouldn't just not tell him. John would perhaps get upset, perhaps even not want to listen to him, but he would try.
No. Sherlock has made a mistake...
see I am not convinced he would try. I think he is more mature than that and I think that he might now realise that there are some secrets that are better kept.
I found the wedding speech interesting, when he vowed to protect them or whatever it was. Strong words. I accept he is an unusual best man...but I've never been at a wedding where something like that was said!I think he knows something is coming. And I think whatever he knows about Mary, he has decided that it doesn't matter.
There was also another scene at the wedding, I can't remember the wording but on seeing Major Sholto Mary says something along the lines of "neither of us were the first" ie the first person John has "saved". Which is me is interesting because I wonder if John actually ALREADY knows whatever it is about Mary that she isn't saying, We know nothing about their courtship, how they met, etc. In the books, they were brought together by the case involving Jonathan Small and Sholto, but that is obviously not the case here.
The Sign of Three » Red Beard Clue » January 7, 2014 9:55 am |
my hunch is that sherlock knows a lot more about mary than he is letting on. its not that he is failing to deduce its that he is either refusing to deduce or has deduced and is keeping stuff from John.
The Sign of Three » So... I've Got a Theory » January 6, 2014 7:25 pm |
I think sherlock knows something about mary that we don't know yet, because he stopped reading the messages as soon as he read that CAM message.
that is a damn fine point
The Sign of Three » First Thoughts... » January 6, 2014 6:46 pm |
I did like that they confirmed that he was a graduate chemist. That takes the total of cool famous chemistry graduates to probably one.
The Sign of Three » First Thoughts... » January 5, 2014 10:56 pm |
Ozma wrote:
They can't have John being a father, that's right. It is like you said too far from canon and also would make it difficult for him to be involved with Sherlock's cases etc as the series requires.
I have a feeling Mary is not going to be around for series 4.
One thing - has anyone else noticed Mary didn't seem to be ecstatic when Sherlock told them he deducted she was pregnant? She seemed more upset than happy to me, and Sherlock's face kind of changed after seeing that. Just me?
They did manage to work it with Torchwood though, Gwen still went off and did her stuff. So...maybe. I dunno, I don't think you are allowed to kill off babies on British tv.
could she have panicked because you are not really meant to go about deducing such things or if you do, you are meant to keep them to yourself?