mrshouse wrote:

Ok, I've settled here and there's the one I miss:

Anthea
Well, the first thing we learn about you is that you have quite a pretty face. The second is, that you are the proud owner of a blackberry. And you have lots of spare time. Actually you've become a recurring component of our beloved series. I have a little smile on my face when the black limousine turns up and I know it will be you, so perfectly bored whilst collecting whoever Mycroft told you to pick up. But come one, lovely, you certainly can do better than that! When will be the moment when someone matters more than just texting on your mobile? Never noticed your boss has a glacier melting smile?

 

*headdesk* Thank you for reminding me about Anthea. I totally forgot about her as well! 

I love her. She is a busy woman and love the bits in ASiP with John. XD
 

I'm so sorry for a double post, but I just wanted to let people know I put a disclaimer at the beginning. Hopefully, no one gets the wrong impression.

And I also wanted to address my original post: I'm sorry if it comes off as heated, I was just reeling in from so many negativity towards these characters I felt like I needed to make a thread so people could have a place to show their love and appreciation for this charcters without any negativity or vile. Nowhere did I give out names or said it was from this website. I spoke of the fandom in a general sense. I'm not implying anything from anyone here or this website. I was just talking about the Sherlock fandom in general. 

I do apologize if my post caused any offense, I just wanted to express my feelings and my love for the characters at the same time. It wasn't my intent to offend but I should have written that post when I wasn't so heated. So I do deeply apologize and hope that, despite the rocky start, people can come here to show their love and appreciation towards the women of BBC Sherlock.
 

SusiGo wrote:

I did not like the remark either but he was in an extremely stressful situation. 

It is strange but I can relate to most of the female characters. I even understand Sally although her behaviour in TRF was horrible. I have always liked Irene. Sarah was clever, kind and tough, she even stood up to Sherlock. Molly - do not start me on Molly. And Mrs Hudson. 

I think it is just Mary that really irks me. I think it may be the imbalance in her character, the bad outweighing the good by far. If she was meant to be real villain, fine. I could go with that. But I do not want to be forced into liking her and to me the statements of creators and especially Amanda sometimes sounded that way. 

Nope, no one is forcing you to like anyone. You don't have to, but at least, you can understand why some people do like the character. I don't condone any opinion shove down into people's throats.You are free to like whoever you want to like. =) 

I really liked Sarah! She was just such a cool character. Everytime I watch her in Series 1, I always feel sad that she left off-screen in Series 2. =(

@tonnaree: Yeah, I know, he was suffering from alot of pain, but the statement was just so horrible. 

I wish we get to see more hugs from Sherlock and Mrs.Hudson. That was surely lacking in Series 3. XDDDD 

Mrs. Hudson really does love her boys. =D
 

SusiGo wrote:

Just one thing - what if I do not feel any sympathy towards a female character? If I do not love and appreciate her even if I try? 

Well, how about the ones you do have sympathy for? Tell me about them! =) What do you like about them? Do you relate to them? 

I appreciate them all, but I understand that others may see things differently. This thread is no different than any single character appreciation thread. The difference between this thread and others is that it isn't talking about just one.

@mrshouse:  I do alot and it saddens me. This isn't just about Mary. Many of these characters are given some type of label or hate thrown at them. I agree. In a better world, gender shouldn't matter, but it seems when the male characters do questionable actions, they are viewed as flawed while the females are hated so drastically. 
 

No ones seems to criticize the fact that Sherlock tells John to keep Mary in line when she was trying to help him. Really, Sherlock? 

Yes, I believe Sherlock and Mary share similar traits. They both have complexity as well as be adorable. XD

And they are not sociopaths. No such thing as a sociopath anymore.


 

I actually loved the wedding between John and Mary. People point out the fact that we never saw the proposal or vows, which people love to use to justify their own opinion on a certain pairing, but if the wedding focused more on John and Mary, people will complain because this show is about Sherlock and John rather than John and Mary. 

Mary showed alot of character in this episode. John and Mary's scenes in this episode showed their relationship and love quite well I might add. I wished we have more, but from the little scenes we have, John and Mary adore each other as well as show their gratitude towards Sherlock's speech and taking care of the wedding. 

Also, my favorite scene is when Mary, Sherlock, and John all do their best to help Sholto. =DDD So beautiful. The trio is awesome! 

we have no context of her past, but what we can do is speculate. For me, if Mary was an intelligence agent for a government, she would have to follow the orders they give her. Yes, she will use violence to get what she wants, but she does what she needs to get the job done. There is no malice in such actions( Also, if she went freelance, the quote she says to John shows the type of people she would go after: People like Magnussen). She was given a task and she does it. It's cold. Yes. Ruthless? Yes. But in that world, she has to act like that. She has to be cold, ruthless, and even, distrusting.

And she wants to leave that world because she wants to change. She doesn't want anything to do with it no more. Now, that isn't easy. Coming back from such a world would be rough. 

Mary will have to redeem herself for such actions and I hope S4 gives her that arc. If Sherlock can, so can she.

 

SolarSystem wrote:

I think Mary knew exactly that Sherlock wouldn't kill her.  

How do you know that?

I watched that entire scene over and over again, especially the beginning. Mary had every right to think that Sherlock was going to pull something. I mean he was hiding himself from everyone and she was trying to find him. What was he doing? Then all of sudden, she was being led to the empty houses? Mary knows of her actions beforehand. She probably thought Sherlock was going to pay her back in kind. 

Mary likes Sherlock and during that hallway scene, she had plenty of opportunities to kill Sherlock. When he appeared behind her, she could have shot him then, but what does she do? She tries to explain to him that she didn't want John to know because it would break him. She tells Sherlock to understand and tells him to not press the matter further for John's sake as well as his. If Mary was this evil person people keep claiming that she is, why bother? Just shoot him. Sherlock was vulnerable and couldn't do anything. Could it be? Could it be Mary doesn't want to kill Sherlock? Maybe Mary actually does like Sherlock and doesn't hate him.
 

mrshouse wrote:

LoveIsAViciousMotivator wrote:

@mrshouse: Who said Sherlock was into casual sex? I never implied that. Also, doesn't mean he can't be uncomfortable as well as find "sex" animalistic. Janine wanted sex. Sherlock didn't give it because he was just using her. Janine geniunely seemed to care for Sherlock and really wanted to. Her sharing false stories was in response to the fact that Sherlock pretended to be something he wasn't. She wasn't cornering him like a predator. Janine was the victim there. Not Sherlock.  

 
And I didn't imply that you implied it. But we cannot see him as asexual because he hasn't jumped on anyone so far nor because he makes faces when confronted with a type of flirting or being cornered that does not touch him. That's the kind of love/sentiment/andyessex he doesn't understand indeed. This thread is to discuss his sexuality and the thought he might want someone in the way I described hasn't been mentioned as far as I read.

Okay, I didn't know if that was what you were implying or not, and apologies for my misunderstanding.

I still don't think it means he isn't asexual either. So far he doesn't seem interested in sexual advances and ignores flirting. The only way he seems to respond to anything is intellectual stimulation based on interactions with both Irene and Moriarty, which could be a good point for sapisexuality as well as pansexuality due to the fact that Irene and Moriarty both gave him a game to figure out and he responds the same way despite different approaches. 


 

@mrshouse: Who said Sherlock was into casual sex? I never implied that. Also, doesn't mean he can't be uncomfortable as well as find "sex" animalistic. Janine wanted sex. Sherlock didn't give it because he was just using her. Janine geniunely seemed to care for Sherlock and really wanted to. Her sharing false stories was in response to the fact that Sherlock pretended to be something he wasn't. She wasn't cornering him like a predator. Janine was the victim there. Not Sherlock. 

@Solar: Looked like shock to me or at least, very surprised.