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January 14, 2017 10:24 pm  #21


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

nakahara wrote:

Liberty wrote:

(And we know from TAB that Sherlock is bothered by his choice to be alone, and sees John as being concerned about it - so I think he completely takes this in the way it is intended).

And yet John never asks "what do you want, Sherlock, to make you happy?", he just orders him to be with a woman who is a criminal and a sociopath right away, LOL.
 

You are so right about asking... But I don't think, John will ever ask.

On the other hand - if John really believes, Sherlock needs Irene in his life, he should act in Sherlock style: steal for a time Sherlock's phone, text or call Irene, and invite her to come. But first tell her what the situation is like, because Sherlock is already the different man...

 

January 14, 2017 10:26 pm  #22


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

Oh I'm sure Irene could handle him!


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January 14, 2017 10:27 pm  #23


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

My headcanon sez that Irene keeps very close tabs on Sherlock... http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/embarrassed.png


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January 14, 2017 10:28 pm  #24


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

I think so, too.


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January 14, 2017 10:30 pm  #25


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

besleybean wrote:

Oh I'm sure Irene could handle him!

Not sure if it would be wise to pair Sherlock with the person who actually beats people for her job.... http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png

 


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January 14, 2017 10:31 pm  #26


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

nakahara wrote:

besleybean wrote:

Oh I'm sure Irene could handle him!

Not sure if it would be wise to pair Sherlock with the person who actually beats people for her job.... http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png

 

But as long as he's off John's hands... http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/devious.png


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January 14, 2017 10:31 pm  #27


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

Oh I don't approve of her job or much about her, really.
But Sherlock seems interested.


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January 14, 2017 10:38 pm  #28


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

I don't disapprove of her job - she provides a popular service.  With a royal seal of approval, apparently.  Either way, she's Sherlock's choice, "the" woman ... although apparently he prefers to adore from afar, and, presumably, fantasise, rather than risk his heart. 

 

January 14, 2017 10:40 pm  #29


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

Or possibly risk her own life?

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January 14, 2017 10:42 pm  #30


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

nakahara wrote:

Also, having a baby, I´m sure you wouldn´t want trained assassins around either - so why is John not equally angry with Mary?

Mary did not invite the assasin, it is just part of her past that caught her, there is no reason be angry at her for it. But he is angry or maybe more disapointed that she exludes him from decision, solution. 

 

January 14, 2017 10:43 pm  #31


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

Well, as much as I'd love to know when exactly Sherlock would reply to a text from Irene, I very much doubt we'll see her in TFP.


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January 14, 2017 10:44 pm  #32


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

No I don't think so, either.


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January 14, 2017 11:01 pm  #33


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

No, I think her role has been explained.   (Much as I would love a secret casting appearance!). 

Besleybean, that's a good point about risking her life ... although I'm sure they could manage some sort of secret assignation especially years after her "death".  Somewhere nobody would suspect.  Like a Harvester in High Wycombe.
 

 

January 15, 2017 2:49 am  #34


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

besleybean wrote:

I think John does have some anger issues, anyway.
Possibly with Harry.
Possibly as part of his PTSD, after Afghanistan.
Then with Sherlock and the fake death.
Then with Mary and the assassin business, including her going away and finally with her sacrificing herself.
Then with Sherlock for not being able to protect Mary.

And possibly with John's parents as well.  His anger issues might well have started long before he was ever deployed to Afghanistan--possibly even before he went to college.

http://esterbrook.tumblr.com/post/104562523718/something-has-been-niggling-at-the-back-of-my-mind

If only the show would bring some of John's back story as well as Sherlock's, that would answer some questions for us.
 

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January 15, 2017 7:58 am  #35


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

kgreen20 wrote:

besleybean wrote:

I think John does have some anger issues, anyway.
Possibly with Harry.
Possibly as part of his PTSD, after Afghanistan.
Then with Sherlock and the fake death.
Then with Mary and the assassin business, including her going away and finally with her sacrificing herself.
Then with Sherlock for not being able to protect Mary.

And possibly with John's parents as well.  His anger issues might well have started long before he was ever deployed to Afghanistan--possibly even before he went to college.

http://esterbrook.tumblr.com/post/104562523718/something-has-been-niggling-at-the-back-of-my-mind

If only the show would bring some of John's back story as well as Sherlock's, that would answer some questions for us.
 

Oh, yes! If Mofftiss feel like they run out of ideas, maybe it is time to say something more about John's family, and his past?. Mrs Hudson said in TLD: "...but if Sherlock Holmes dies too, who will you have then? Because I'll tell you something, John Watson, you will not have me!". I guess, John's parents are dead (it means, they died rather young), but what about Harry? 
 

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January 15, 2017 8:40 am  #36


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

I suspect we are never going to find out about Harry.


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January 15, 2017 9:32 am  #37


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

Poor Harry.  Reduced to just a point in a deduction and a couple of comments about drinking!

 

January 15, 2017 10:21 am  #38


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

I wonder if things would have been different, if the show had indeed gone on...
But I suspect not.
To be honest, that's why I've never really got peoples obsession over John's past.
As Martin himself said, the show is called ' Sherlock', not 'John'.


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January 15, 2017 5:28 pm  #39


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

besleybean wrote:

I wonder if things would have been different, if the show had indeed gone on...
But I suspect not.
To be honest, that's why I've never really got peoples obsession over John's past.
As Martin himself said, the show is called ' Sherlock', not 'John'.

That's because Martin F. Made him very interesting character Much more, than Conan-Doyle's John Watson. 
 

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January 15, 2017 5:31 pm  #40


Re: Angry John - not only because Mary's death?

Oh I definitely agree on that point...and I know John in some sense is supposed to represent the viewers...


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