I can imagine Mycroft overlooking Mary's true identity. In a way that he thinks maybe:
"So, now that Sherlock is gone, John settles down. How boring. But that's how they are in the end. He wasn't different in the end."
What contradicts this, is Mycroft's knowledge about how John misses the war. He should become suspicious of John's "mundane" life.

Mycroft could also think John just needs comfort, and that's what Mary is. In that scenario, I could also see him ignore Mary. Like "let the heartbroken guy be happy with that girl, whoever she is, he needs it".

Of course Mycroft could also know about Mary's background, maybe even her connection to CAM, and that's why he tries to keep Sherlock away from John in the beginning. But it doesn't fit with the proceedings, imo. Because then Mycroft would have surely warned Sherlock at some point. About Mary, not only CAM.

I cannot see Mycroft and Mary as a team without Sherlock knowing. I can imagine Mycroft, Mary and Sherlock (which again, and I don't like it, leaves a clueless John), or none of them plotting together.

Maybe I see Mycroft and Sherlock plotting against Magnusson in the end. But the way Sherlock says "tell Mary she's save now" makes me think she's not privy to the plan. Also, why drug a pregnant woman if she has all the facts anyway.

I'm trying to imagine the christmas dinner. Everybody sits round that table, that is, as far as we know, Sherlock's parents, Mary and John, Bill and Sherlock himself.
What would they talk about?

Mycroft and Sherlock would bicker, so maybe they wouldn't be the focus of the conversation for long. To prevent them from bickering, maybe Bill would tell some stories about his work... or he wouldn't because he knows noone and keeps back, only speaking up when it's about Sherlock and his work.

Mycroft, don't think he's one for idle conversation, at least not with family.

So I see Sherlock's Mum talking to John, to be honest, supported by her husband and Mary.
What would they talk about? Sherlock's shooting, not likely, too uncomfortable. I'd guess it would be about John and Mary "how is it going, how is the pregnancy, what plans do you have". And as Sherlock parents seem polite, they would probably ask Mary about her job, her earlier life... getting to know her. uhm.

And Mycroft? Will listen to it, thinking what? "who is she?" "boring girl" "takes away John from Sherlock" or, if they're aquainted "don't feck up girl, play nice, keep up the fassade, don't tell them you shot him or mum will turn monstrous and I hate family drama"... or "you bitch shot my little brother, going to make your life hell" etc etc

I also don't believe that Mycroft believes that sherlock invited Bill without a bigger motivation than company. So, Mycroft suspects things, I guess? What are Marys thoughts about Mycroft? If he doesn't know her yet, she must be shit scared he finds out about who shot Sherlock. If they work together, she must be under loads of pressure, too.

I'm not getting anywhere  it's just, that christmas scene... it's where Mycroft and Mary must have met. And i cannot imagine how it went... either way... but, god, it must have been awkward...

If I think about it, I would love to see that scene someday! 

Apologies! I looked it up now - I wasn't aware they call it Conspiracy themselves...


Well, then I obviously get your point. I guess it's meant in a funny way though.

@beasleaybean
Not wanting to go very far offtopic, but I wouldn't call it conspiracy because that sounds jugding to me. I would say I'm no fan of such large groups pursuing a certain belief in (partly) aggressive ways.

I'm not very familiar with the fandoms mentioned in the original article, so I find it difficult to form an opinion. I'm also not sure which parts exactly caused the outcry - some parts ring true, at least to me.
Apparently, people felt very offended.

I can relate to some aspects. I also get the feeling fans (or so-called fans, but I don't feel confident to judge who is a fan or not) tend to request certain outcomes for a show. Maybe "request" is a strong word, but there is an expectation for sure, which sometimes - or so I feel - is put forward with strong words.
I also feel that way within the Sherlock fandom. (As somebody who isn't very active in fandom, so maybe the bigger picture is a different one.)

Also found some more responses here
http://www.transformativeworks.org/this-week-in-fandom-volume-12/

This circus show was heavily advertised in our town.
Sadly, I didn't have a date to go with




 

I understand about visibility. But it would be much better if people stopped assuming.
Why put the task on the shoulders of bisexual people.

I'm not a fan of "in your face". It's like with the movies. I prefer them to be just movies with a love story. If it's a love story that is not actually about the love, but about telling the audience "look here, gay is okay" or whatever, I'm no fan of it - highlighting is the opposite of accepting something as natural.

Got into a thunderstorm yesterday, on my bike. I had my Sherlock Cluedo game with me. Which, like me, got soaked. I'm sad  . I had it in a plastic bag even! But the rain was so bad I had no chance to get somewhere dry in time. Poor Cluedo.

That's a really interesting link.

Especially the finnish one made me laugh out loud. Isn't that what many of us think anyway?

But that means the three doesn't even refer to Mary's pregnancy in the finnish version...

I really would love to watch finnish Sherlock. But I guess it's not dubbed, just subtitled.

Also find the finnish title of Reichenbach Fall ep. quite interesting: loppunäytös
I tried to find out what it means, and translation tells me it means "epilogue" 

I think to try to see why Sherlock forgives Mary is not the same as making excuses for Mary. I don't think Sherlock makes any excuses for Mary. He accepts what she has done and forgives her. On a personal level. He doesn't give her carte blanche saying: oh well you had to, it's fine you shot me, it's totally reasonable, nevermind. At least I don't read his actions and words that way.

The ambulance strenghtens my impression that she wanted to keep damage limited. Tbh, the phone call doesn't make sense if we assume Mary tried to kill Sherlock. In that case, she would have left calling to John, and made her way out of that office as quickly as possible, without a care in the world.

nakahara wrote:

what actual proof do we have that Mary didn´t aim to kill?

I think the only proof we have is what the show gives us... In the playback of the actions in Magnusson's office/ Sherlock's thoughts we are shown what the alternative could have been: a shot to the head, between the eyes. But Mary didn't choose to shoot that way. It's not really convincing though, because we are shown that the way she shot Sherlock wasn't in any way "safe", no matter what Sherlock thinks.

Another things that comes to mind: Mary's first words about Sherlock are "I like him". To John. And her first interaction with Sherlock is a promise she will bring John round, will try to convince him to forgive Sherlock. I can read this a) as sympathy for Sherlock and b) as true love towards John, because Mary sees how badly he is affected by Sherlock's actions and how desperately he needs the reconciliation. How does this fit in the dark picture we paint of her, I wonder. If she was selfish, she would keep John to herself, help him push Sherlock away, and not care about Sherlock's helplessness in terms of apology.
Same thing happens before the wedding: she tries to help both of them, accurately states how Sherlock is terrified of that wedding (and I think she's right there) and tries to help him

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