La Jolie wrote:

... Can Moftiss please give Sherlock a break in S4 and let him practise the science of deduction as l'art pour l'art again, for a change?

I totally agree with you. I really miss it as well!

Favourite scenes... that's tough. Apart from the scenes that have brilliant dialogue, I love all the scenes where music and imagery just fit so perfectly. But it's much harder to point them out...

ASiB, the scene when John is driven to the meetup with Irene. when the car drives towards battersea power station - I could watch that on repeat for ages

ASiP, cab driver and Sherlock discussing serial killing - Sherlocks expressions are so brilliant, and I love the setting

HLV, the mind palace scene, more exact: Sherlock climbing up the stairs

ASiB, Sherlock "calling" the police - because that's just plain sexy, and very nicely set: black suit and gun in front of that white house

TBB, the circus perfomance - I love the atmosphere there

HLV, Appledore, Sherlock going down on his knees... I don't have to say anything to that I think

TEH, when John comes back to 221b, the way the dust comes off of the curtains and reflects in the light... beautiful

and of course in Hounds, the fireplace deduction

It's really hard pointing them out like this. Will watch again, and then I'll have some more to put here, I'm sure. What I realised is that I usually don't rewatch for dialogue, but for images and/or music... I didn't realise my focus was so much on that.
 

It's an interesting question. I think it depends what trust implies. Trust me to keep secrets? Trust me with a stranger's toddler? Trust me to support and care? ...

Most people (strangers and friends) do indeed trust me. Some few are afraid of me, and/ or don't believe in my goodwill. I cannot say what either of them sees in me that makes them choose to trust or distrust, but it made me realise that I'm not a 100% trustworthy person for everybody. Which is fine. I like it that way.
 

I have a question...I'd like to put a link up to this forum, but in a "nice" way. Is there some template that I can just copy? I mean to have a nice little "image link" instead of just an ordinary link. Do you know what I mean? I have no idea what that's called in English? help?

 

For me it comes all down to the shooting - at that point, it doesn't matter to me anymore if Mary initially liked Sherlock or if he liked her.
If it was a shot Sherlock could have easily survived, all fine.
But as we are shown it, Sherlock could have EASILY lost his life. It's not surgery, it's luck... and Mary can't have known Sherlock that well to trust he would pull through. Because he pulls through only because a) he falls down the right direction b) knows that shock will kill him and manages (!) not to let that happen c) is strong enough to hold on long enough for that ambulance to arrive.
That's many chances Mary is taking there. And I'm pretty sure, if Sherlock would have died, John wouldn't have forgiven Mary... loosing Sherlock again, after just having him back? His own wife, who knows EXACTLY how miserable and depressed John was during the time he thought Sherlock dead, would put John through all that again? That's not love for me.
I agree Mary was in a difficult situation, and I understand she didn't want John to know. But she willingly sacrifices Sherlock to keep her relationship with John safe. I have no idea why John forgives her. I'm sure he loves her, but would I happily spend my life with somebody who - worst case scenario - killed my best friend? I don't think so. Mary is afraid, alright, but she could have tried talking to John, to anybody, she could have chosen so many different routes.
I think Sherlock accepts Mary way of dealing with the Magnusson situation because he is equally unable to solve a situation in a normal, sane way (speak of jumping off roofs and not telling your best friend).
I think Sherlock understands Mary, but I don't think he likes her very much. Mary I'm not sure about. I think she likes Sherlock, but she is totally unable to act accordingly. John is very right - Sherlock and Mary are the similar ones here.

 

Liberty wrote:

It seems such a silly, pointless risk to take.

Yes. But he's an idiot, to quote John
 

I'd love to, but I cannot find the thread again that explains how to upload pictures... so same problem here ;)
 

tonnaree wrote:

Harriet wrote:

And next scene: Sherlock and John ....

Snogging against a wall?

No idea what's going on in this thread, just wanted to shout a short "YES" to the above and then I'm gone again

SolarSystem wrote:

For me the show worked best when it was Sherlock and John in 221B, solving crimes and having their domestic bliss from time to time. That's what the voice in my head is saying when I think of "Sherlock": Sherlock and John in 221B.

We quite agree then So back to 221b with everybody who belongs there - and for me  that's 2 people, not 3 or 4

Well, about the changes and new directions of the show... I liked that series 3 was different. I really liked it (or to be honest, rather learned to like it). But I don't need it again, not in such a fundamental way. There was a substance in series 1 and 2, something like the core of the show, an unchangeable beat that kept everything smooth. In series 3 they somehow upset that, it was like music that suddenly changes the key it's written in. I have the feeling, if series 4 pushes further, the show will loose its... whatever it is. Identity? Integrity? I cannot describe this any better, but it's like they upset the water of a pond, which is a good thing, but after a storm, there's need for quiet... and not for another wild ride. My opinion. But I think we discussed that in another thread already, so I'm shutting up here
back to baby-topic :D
 

I'd think Moriarty would choose people who were "his taste"... so people that appeal to him in their way of thinking. He chose the cabbie to work for him, and he chose Sherlock... I think Moriarty wouldn't work with people who don't "entertain" him in their wicked ways. So I think it's not coincidence the cabbie and Moriarty like playing similar games.
Maybe Moriarty was also a bit annoyed that Sherlock didn't kill himself but John shot the cabbie. Maybe he wanted to do it better, and chose a similar scenario.
In case Moriarty is really dead (which I hope), it is indeed a repeated scenario which is a funny thought. People who force Sherlock to commit suicide end up dead in this show... and I can see similarites to CAM there, too, even if it's not a suicide Sherlock is facing, but a trial. Sherlock is kind of good getting out of tight situations... and the other side often doesn't survive it.
 

I've thought about the repeated hitting, and yes... I can see that hitting Sherlock more than once is quite bad.
I think also the feeling of betrayal has a role here. Sherlock gives information to John, yes, but it's "everybod knew but you", and that's a really cruel thing to say to John who suffered so much. I think maybe John feels the instinct to hurt Sherlock equally much, and words just aren't enough again - how to find words that cut so deep that they equal the pain (and guilt!) John must have felt during Sherlocks absence?
I think John manages better when he tells Sherlock that he definitely won't go with him on cases - that's payback, that's giving back the feeling of being left out to Sherlock. But even that - I don't think it makes up for anything John went through, and I think the rest of it... the emotion that is still there after trying to verbally sort things, it has to go somewhere - and John hits Sherlock again. I really would like to, but I cannot come up with a different acting on Johns part for the scene. Maybe the writers didn't as well?

Maybe I cannot see Sherlock so much as a victim here. John was telling him from the very beginning not to stand up to Moriarty, not to get involved... and Sherlock got into it, played the game until the point of no return. That is I think part of Johns point of view. That's what John doesn't get - and it shows again when they're underground, how John shouts at Sherlock "and you did not call the police!"
Sherlock is suffering from his own decisions, and John refuses to take responsibility, that's what I see. Compassion, understanding, yes, but no responsibility. John will have compassion when he sees what Sherlock went through, and he will understand why Sherlock had to jump (to save him, John), but Sherlock got himself into trouble there, and why should John say "hey Sherlock, it's okay, you're just a victim like everyone else, I forgive you".
When he finally forgives Sherlock, it's out of friendship - it's not