The Empty Hearse » The whole bonfire scene » January 20, 2014 5:22 pm |
The shadowy man watching the images of the bonfire on the video screens is a clear bit of foreshadowing of the new villain we were told about, but at this point the reason for the attempt on John's life is something that will be explained later.
The Empty Hearse » PBS Version was shown uncut! » January 20, 2014 5:16 pm |
sj4iy wrote:
Just finished watching TEH on PBS and it was shown uncut. The only slight alternation was them cutting the "Fff-cough" a bit, but that was it.
Actually they didn't cut it at all. I watched The Empty Hearse on BBC iPlayer several times after it aired in the UK on January 1st , and the "Fff-cough" scene was presented just as it was shown last night. Sherlock makes a brief "F" sound, then it cuts to John telling his patient to cough. I had to play it twice the first time I saw it to get the joke, because it was so subtle and quick.
The "F" sound had to be quick, of course, because it just take long to say f*ck, does it?
The Empty Hearse » I hope I'm wrong about this... » January 20, 2014 4:51 pm |
I'm pretty sure Sherlock was lying outrageously throuhout his "explanation" of the hoax. His claim that he used a body which "looked a lot like me" was a prime example. The body was only used for a few seconds to fool John while Sherlock stood twenty feet away to allow a little blood to be smeared on his face.
Why bother with a body? Why didn't Sherlock just lay down, play dead, and allow his support team to quickly smear the blood on him? That would have been much quicker than throwing a body out the window and then hauling it away again.
And it seems pretty odd that Sherlock used this alledge dead body for his hoax but never bothered to find out the man's identity! Sherlock's statement -- " . . . that man, whoever he was . . . " -- clearly indicates that Sherlock didn't seem to know or care who the man was.
Sorry, but that certainly doesn't sound much like Sherlock Holmes.
I'm certain that the whole purpose of Sherlock's extremely flawed "explanation" was just a bit of clever pay-back to Anderson, one of the two people who had supported the idea that Sherlock was a fake and a fraud.
The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 20, 2014 4:22 pm |
Sorry, Golddragon71, but you're mistaken about the sniper being able to see the sidewalk where Sherlock landed. HIs view of the sidewalk was blocked by the low brick building positioned between the snipers's 2nd floor window and the sidwalk beneath the hospital. John stood at the far end of the brick building (by desgin, as Sherlock planned it), and it prevented him too from the seeing the sidewalk. (In the picture below, John has not yet moved back the far corner of the building as Sherlock insisted he do before he jumped.)
If you look carefully at the view through window where the sniper was located, there is a shot when the camera was positioned higher than the man, and you can see the brick side of the building, because the view is angled downward. (The bricks are much easier to see on TV. Check and see if I'm right.)
In the other shot of the sniper, when the camera is looking straight out the window, we see the upper part of the trees along the sidewalk across the street. The roof of the brick building is below the view through the window, so we don't see it. (Again, the tree leaves are easy to see on TV. Take a look at the episode and see for yourself.)
The sniper could see John's upper body over the roof of the brick building as John stood on the sidewalk after Sherlock jumped, but not John's legs or the sidewalk itself.
However, the sniper was actually in a good position to see the opposite end of the building from where John stood, looking out the window to his right -- which meant he could see the alledged airbag being inflated and moved by the crew of men.
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The Empty Hearse » Flaws In Theory #3 » January 15, 2014 7:53 pm |
lil wrote:
The fake scenes were only filmed after the scripts including them were written, which means after the fall was written.
Didn't the writers say they filmed them to troll/fool/grab publicity? And that everything needed to explain the fall was filmed during S02 filming.
By drving ourselves crazy debugging the lame scenerio SH gave Anderson , we are falling into the trap Sherlock set for Anderson to drive him crazy?
The scene describing this theory seems to be a flashforward, Sherlock just realised Anderson set up the burnt skeleton crime scene to get Sherlocks attention, Sherlock deduces Andersons guilt and need for forgiveness , the same way he is fooling John to forgive him btw, and imagines what he will do to get revenge on Anderson.
The whole thing is in Sheroocks head.....maybe he did go see Anderson later and tell him this.....we don't know.
I hope he did , and that he has something planned for Donovan too......
Wow. Thanks, lil. I kept chewing my nails as I read the posts on this thread because I kept wanting to shout things like --
There was no shooter behind the sniper! Sherlock jumped to fool the sniper so he would call the other snipers off! In TRF we saw the sniper with John in the crosshairs for quite some time after Sherlock jumped, and then the sniper calmly packed up his rifle. It was his job to shoot John if Sherlock didn't jump, or not shoot John if Sherlock did. And either way, he would make a phone call to the other snipers to say shoot-or-don't-shoot.
There was no looka-like Sherlock body! No body was thrown out a window, because Sherlock simply laid on the ground after he rolled off a fireman's safety net -- which is the short "falling" scene we see.
There was no "convincing wound" on Sherlocks face! Just lots of
His Last Vow » Funny moments in HLV » January 15, 2014 4:14 pm |
"John, there's something I should say, I've meant to say, and never have. Since it's unlikely we'll ever meet again, I might as well say it now."
(Dramatic pause . . . )
"Sherlock is actually a girl's name."
Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Suspicious scenes from season 3. » January 15, 2014 12:48 am |
Image 12: Lastly, this 'very obviously suggesting a new brother' scene.
Yep, the whole town's a-buzz from that little revelation. But since there was never a clear indication in any Sherlock Holmes story that Sherlock and Mycroft had a brother, I doubt Moffat and Gatiss will pull one out of their bums in violation of official Sherlock canon. But we shall see.
Introductions Please... » Greatings from Bruce Cook - a new guy. » January 14, 2014 7:35 pm |
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Introductions Please... » Hello all! » January 14, 2014 7:25 pm |
Welcome, Golddragon71! This board is amazing. I think there's only four people in the whole world who aren't members here, and those poor guys are all in solitary confinement in the state pen. They'll probably join in 5-10 years, depending on the parole board.
Anyway, take a few years to read all the current posts, and then start posting. If you're lucky you'll have them all read by the time series 4 of Sherlock airs!
Thanks for reminding us of the TNG episode with Data in a deerstalker. I remember being impressed with Moriarty. A very believable performance by Daniel Davis. His piercing blue eyes made him look both intelligent and malevolent. (Damn, those two words sure sound good together. My college education is finally paying off.)
His Last Vow » Janine and...transport » January 14, 2014 6:53 pm |
Swanpride wrote:
It doesn't bother me from a feminist pov, because Janine got her revenge. And I am not even sure if she wasn't well aware of Sherlock dublicity when he showed her the ring. After all Magnusson was still in the building. Perhaps she did it on his behest. Or she did it, because she wanted Magnusson taken down, too. After all, he flicked into her face, too - it must have been torture to work for a guy like that.
Hey, good point! Why did Janine let Sherlock come up in the elevator if Magnussen was there in the apartment? Wouldn't she be afraid of Mr. Faceflicker getting really pissed when he walked in and found Sherlock there? His reaction to that would mean serious consequences for her.
As for the questions presented in several earlier posts, I wonder if perhaps Janine was actually faking the relationship just as much as Sherlock. She may have done it all just to sell a juicy sex-filled story to the tabloids about her "relationship" with the famous Mr. Studlock Holmes. That would certainly explain why she put up with a boyfriend who practiced both absence and abstinence (both of which make the heart grow fonder, if you think about it . . . yuck,yuck, yuck . . . )
Her comment in the hospital indicates she actually wanted to have sex with him. (I refuse to say "sleep with him". When people want to sleep together they take Lunesta. When they want to do something else, the man takes Viagra. It's hardly the same thing, right?)
Anyway, Janine seems a lot smarter if we don't assume she bought everything Sherlock told her. And our hero doesn't seem like quite the cad for doing all that lying . . . and absolutely no laying, if you catch my drift.
His Last Vow » Would Moriarty coming back be a good thing? [Vote here] » January 14, 2014 5:57 pm |
Add a "maybe" option to include the idea that it all depends on how they handle it -- and they better handle it really well no what they do, or Moffat and Gatiss will have to fake a double-suicide and go into hiding for two years. Hell, that's practically what they do now -- hide for two years while we go ka-razy!
The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 14, 2014 5:45 pm |
Hey, I like that Latin quote! Cool. Now I know two Latin phrases: that one and E Pluribus Unum (which I think means "What good is a damn penny?")
Weirdness, I must confess I've come to agree with your assertion that giving us several wack-a-doodle theories and not telling us the real explanation is the only way Moffat and Gatiss could avoid an avalanche of complaints that the actual solution was too simple (the one with the fireman's net and a team of government agents to pull it off).
Insisting that the explanation be elaborate is actually insisting it be less intelligent -- and a Sherlock Holmes plan must be intelligent. None of the three theories presented a clever, workable suicide hoax. Taken all together, they had quite a lot in common with the Ringling Brothers Circus, complete with elements like:
* a trapeze act (the bungee cord)
* a clown in make-up (Moriarty's body with the mask)
* a magic act (the disappearing body, played by Sherlock's twin brother-from-another-mother)
* a group of energetic circus roustabouts (the air bag team)
* and a thrilling high-dive climax by the death-defying Great Sherlockian, Acrobat Extraordinaire'!
Yes, folks, this confirms what we've all been saying for years – that Sherlock is indeed The Greatest Show on Earth!
His Last Vow » Janine and...transport » January 14, 2014 4:00 am |
Wow. Watching this show as a man is obviously very different from watching it as a woman. But not completely different. And talking about it with folks of the opposite gender is absolutely delightful.
Thanks!
His Last Vow » Janine and...transport » January 14, 2014 2:52 am |
Holy crap. I managed to stimulate several wonderful replies without getting a single one that actually disagreed with me. We all seem to agree that Sherlock slept with Janine -- but he didn't have sex with her.
I hate the term "slept together". Hookers don't sleep with their clients – they have sex with them. Married people rarely have sex with each other – but they "sleep together" every night.
I think we should call a spade a spade, folks. It would clear up a lot of confusion.
For example, Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky didn't "sleep together" or "have sex" – according to the President of the United States of America. They just shared a cigar in a manner that probably did more to discourage smoking in America than all those anti-smoking commercials combined.
Okay, back to the topic. (Wait . . . what was the topic?)
Oh, right. Did Sherlock "get lucky"?
I'm pretty sure the dialog between Sherlock and Janine specified that sex was not had by them that night. Or any other night.
Having been young once (and married twice), I feel qualified to say that Sherlock's remark – "I was saving it for our marriage" – means he and Janine didn't make the "personal connection" they referred to so delicately during the discussion. Janine nailed this down when she said, "Just once would have been nice."
Her comment is a great example of innuendo, a Latin term which means "an allusive or oblique remark or hint, typically a suggestive or disparaging one."
In other words, it was a college educated way of saying politely that Sherlock and Janine just "slept together". Period. Nothing more.
So, Sherlock doesn't seem to have the kind of overwhelming impulses which has led romantically inclined gentlemen like myself astray many times in their lives. Damn, I envy him. I used to believe in the old adage which states, "Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all."
Hindsight seems to in
His Last Vow » Janine and...transport » January 14, 2014 12:46 am |
I worry just a teeny-tiny bit about the line Janine said at the door of the hospital room. First, she and Sherlock established during the conversation that this lovely young lady had slept in the same bed with Sherlock . . . but they never did the wild monkey dance.
I mean, damn, I was ready to get crazy with her when she walked into the kitchen wearing nothing but a shirt while she proudly displayed the kind of legs Helen of Troy must have had if her face actually launched a thousand ships.
(This explains my choice of avatars, of course, but never mind that now . . . )
Here's the part that troubles me. At the door of the hospital room, Janine says, "I know what kind of man you are, Sherlock. But we could have still been friends."
What did she mean? They agreed they were "okay" because they'd both done self-serving things that involved lies and deception. I think her feelings for him were real, but he used her feelings for his own purposes. That killed the possibility of friendship.
However, she spent the night in bed with Sherlock . . . and he didn’t make love to her. So she “knows what kind of man you are, Sherlock. But we could have still been friends." She could accept what he did not do to her body – but she couldn’t accept what he did do her to heart.
Folks, I don’t think Sherlock Holmes is gay. The simplest answer to this question is that Janine mistakenly does think he is. And if any man is stronge enough to resist the temptations of the flesh for both moral and logical reasons, Sherlock Holmes is that man.
Feel free to tell me I’m stuffed completely full of fertilizer, folks. Read my signature below to know how much I value a good debate.
His Last Vow » First Reactions... » January 13, 2014 7:53 pm |
Well, hell -- you got me with that "emotions" thing. There's no denyin' that Sherlock was definitely not carrying out a well-designed plan when he blew Magnussen's head off right in front of Mycroft and all those guys dressed in cool black outfits, armed with rifles that put those little red dots on your chest and make you pee right on the spot while you wait to eat a bullet.
Your suggestion that Sherlock is getting less-and-less like Spock and more-and-more like Kirk (or would it be McCoy – ever mind, I'm getting confused) sounds pretty darn valid. I guess Magnussen just got too big for his britches and figured he could do anything he wanted. He expected Sherlock to be cold and logical, an assumption which got him killed. He thought he was a superior individual and nobody would outsmart him.
Hey, he sounds a little like Kahn -- the guy Benedict Cumberbatch played! Gosh, this is gettin' spooky!
His Last Vow » First Reactions... » January 13, 2014 7:28 pm |
Ozma wrote:
I think things are a bit more complicated than that; yes CAM is indeed disliked and hated but he is still a super powerful media mogul and if he wanted to have something printed, I doubt anybody could stop him; and Sherlock telling everyone it's all in his head - that would just be Sherlock's word against CAM's, and for the same reason as above, I am sure CAM would it really easy to shame Sherlock in front of the world and make him sound like a liar.
True . . . all true. But wait a second -- who would Sherlock really want to believe his claim that Mr. McGoo didn't really have magic glasses connected to a big computer chucked full of nasty secrets? The general public? No, no, no -- the people Sherlock would want to inform about the true location of Charlies' blackmail info would be his victims, the poor folks who were being blackmailed, all of whom are powerful people who would just love for Charlie to ended up shaking hands in hell with Moriarty (assuming Moriarty is really dead, of course).
Sherlock wouldn't have to shout the news very loud and very long to cause at least one really ticked off victim to employ a few snipers to turn Chuck's data-packed brain into flying goo.
Uh-oh. Come to think of it, I did miss the obvious, didn't I? All Sherlock really needed to do was find out which victims he should quietly go to and let the cat out of the bag concerning Mr. Magnussen's easily demolished Mind Palace. The powerful people like Mrs. Smallwood would know of Sherlock's reputation and would believe him when he told them how he found out about Magnussen's Achilles Heel.
They've all been assuming that Magnussen had a well-guarded vault filled with hard copies of the data. For them to suddenly learn that all the incriminating evidence was in his head would be a really nice Christmas present, thank you very much.
Story wise this would allow Magnussen to be around for series 4, perhaps driven into hiding while he plotted rev
His Last Vow » First Reactions... » January 13, 2014 6:37 pm |
Having only watched His Last Vow once (I'm writing this on Jan. 13, the day after it first aired), I haven't done the necessary pondering to form really good opinions yet. But I can offer first impressions. Buckle up, ladies and gents, 'cause I get a little silly in some places – but hey, that's what I'm best at.
First Impression #1: Moffat and Gatiss worked a little too hard to make Charles Disgusting Magnussen thoroughly unlikable. He claims he sweats constantly (even though we never see a drop). He licks Lady Smallwood's face in a yucky close up. He eats food off of Sherlock's plate and rinses his fingers in Sherlock's water glass. He pisses on the wall in Sherlock's flat.
Okay. We get it. He's evil to the core. But I think maybe one scene in which we see him acting unconcerned while some poor victim begs him not to ruin his/her life with blackmail info would have been a more convincing way to show dear old Chuck's black rotten soul. Instead we're encouraged to hate him based largely on the way he spreads his bodily fluids around: sweat, saliva, and urine.
Gosh, it's too bad he didn't sneeze on somebody. Then I could have referred to him as Charles Augustus Mucus. Oh well. Guess it was snot meant to be . . .
First Impression #2: I hate to say it, but the way Chucky visualized all that data like it was on a computer monitor was a real cheat. First, I can't really buy the idea that anybody could hold that much information in their head. Even Sherlock says he has to "delete" unnecessary info to remember what's important. Second, they presented the data exactly like a computer would do, rather than the elegant manner in which we see Sherlock's reasoning processes through floating words that fade in and out.
What are we supposed to gather from this? That Sherlock needs an upgrade? That Charles Augustus Microsoft is smarter than Sherlock and Steve Jobs put together? Hell, that's heresy!
[b]First Impre
The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 12, 2014 2:52 am |
sherlocked wrote:
In some sequences on the ground you can see, that the trees have no foliage, they are bare!.
Those scenes were just filmed at a different time of year. It's as simple as that.
And I too hope that all the confusion will be cleared up eventually, even if it's just with something as brief as I posted above: a conversation between Sherlock and John in which Sherlock reveals that the hoax was accomplished in a much more simple manner than the three-ring circus he described to Anderson. No dead bodies, no big air bag, and no sniper with rifle on the steps behind the sniper with a rifle (oh God, what a joke that was).
Series Three Suggestions & Ideas » Ok then, so "the clue everyone's missed." Your best guess. » January 12, 2014 1:54 am |
I'm pretty sure the clue was right in front of us during TRF. John went to Mycroft's office at dawn on the day of the suicide hoax and criticised him for giving info about Sherlock to Moriarty. But I've been certain for months that Mycroft was the organizer of the suicide hoax, and the thing which Sherlock did that was "out of character" was asking Mycroft for help in executing the planned hoax.
I think Sherlock first realized he needed to fake his suicide just 12 hours before he actually jumped -- when he was in the street outside Kitty's house late at night, walking back and forth and talking rapidly. He said, " . . . there's only one thing he needs to complete his plan, and that's to -- "
He stops and then says to John, "There's something I have to do."
I think Sherlock came up with the initial plan right there -- not days or weeks in advance. And immediately after that, he spoke with Molly and then called Mycroft to start the process of organizing the suicide hoax.
So, the clue which everybody missed was the fact that Holmes was willing to ask for help in executing his planned suicide. His extreme change in attitude made the plan possible, with the help of Mycroft, Molly, and all the people they employed to conduct the operation.
I know I'm not the only one to present this idea, but there are many people who seem to be looking for tiny details they can turn into dramatic revelations, and I don't think these theories are the answer to the quesiton.