The Lying Detective » First Impressions... » January 9, 2017 11:03 am |
I dont think he takes the drugs just because of Marys Dvd.
I think, like usual, he lies about that. It is part of the reason, but not all of the reason. Like the last times,too.
The Lying Detective » First Impressions... » January 9, 2017 10:58 am |
@besleybean
For me, the reptile line from mrs Hudson referred to Mycroft's behaviour. He is always observing, watching, predatory, in case something goes wrong or not to his taste,nand he has to interfere.
I think that he now wants to observe Marys note and John's grief makes her lash out like this. And she has never been fond of him, while she loves Sherlock, John and also Molly very much.
I dont think anyone who isn't nice to Sherlock stands a chance to get into her good books. and part of that dislike is maybe also that he maybe first considered her as "just the housekeeper" as well. She is acting on behalf of John and Sherlock all episode, and I don't find her wording too strong. I think it is rather nice she lets us know how she sees him.
The Lying Detective » John's violence » January 9, 2017 10:27 am |
I don't think it is right, but I understand it.
It is not a good way to deal with things, but it works for them. Sherlock knows that his behaviour wasn't always right, and I think he feels guilty, for not being able to protect Mary. Even if it wasn't his fault. When something happened we didn't want to happen, we often feel guilty even if we shouldn't. I think that is half of the reason Sherlock lets John beat him. Also him using drugs and hurting John in risking in life plays a part I think. He is slowly realizing how much John cares. The other half of the reason is simply that he loves John and is ready to give him what he needs no matter the cost. He is prepared to die to save John, and also prepared to suffer if it helps John. I get the impression Sherlock cares so much about John in that moment, he honestly doesn't care about himself.
I do think John apologizes, but his apologize is beyond word. The way he breaks down and cries shows me he has only emotion left and no words, except that it is not okay (which can easily refer to everything John ever did to Sherlock). Sherlock doesn't need a further apology, that is what matters to me. Sherlock and John come the the conclusion that "it is what it is", and by that, push aside all that didn't come out even, that isn't perfect. Sherlock even tells John he is just human. And John confesses he wants to do better. And there is also " I was so alone, and I owe you so much." He is aware he owes Sherlock. But Sherlock is the amazing one here - he doesn't count favours, he just takes John just as he is.
Did Sherlock ever apologize to John that he had to shoot a man because of him? (the cabbie) Sherlock implies he had it all under control, but by now, we know he doesn't. John doesn't ask for apologies either whenever Sherlock puts him in danger. He shouts at Sherlock, but forgives him without Sherlock having to explicitely say it. E.g. in the tube scene, in the "I've heard you" scene.
I think the violence really is j
The Lying Detective » Why didn't Sherlock recognise his own sister? Discuss! » January 9, 2017 12:04 am |
What about "people always stop looking after three"?
Maybe there are really four siblings.
God, I love the idea of "Miss me" being said by Sherlock's sister...
The Lying Detective » TLD Headscratchers » January 8, 2017 11:58 pm |
nakahara wrote:
Vhanja wrote:
A headscratcher for both episodes now - what on earth did John write in his note to Sherlock?!
Maybe it really was a page full of expletives?
It hasn't been explained. They never leave things unexplained, so I think this will come up.
I think it was too significant as a scene for just being expletives
The Lying Detective » TLD Headscratchers » January 8, 2017 11:56 pm |
Why wants the girl want to shoot John but not Sherlock?
Is this finally the "I will burn the heart out of you" conclusion?
I never wanted to see Moriarty again. Now I kind of need to. Such is life, apparently.
The Lying Detective » Why didn't Sherlock recognise his own sister? Discuss! » January 8, 2017 11:52 pm |
It would be somewhat ironic to show how Sherlock is not a psychopath by showing what a real one - his sister - would look like. Not sure I like that.
Part of me thinks that maybe Sherrinford is the one sane sibling and got away from the other three crazy ones as soon as possible.
What I totally don't get is - what about their parents? Mr. and Mrs. Holmes? They don't seem like parents with such a burden on them. Never a moment of awkwardness on Christmas? That seems so unlikely. I would expect a tense Christmas, or some strange vibes between Mycroft and Mr. and Mrs. Holmes, whenever they have to hide the sister's/brothers? existence from Sherlock.
The Lying Detective » First Impressions... » January 8, 2017 11:44 pm |
Vhanja wrote:
What is it with Sherlock always finding these horrible, creepy, psychopathic, predatory types of villains to pursue?
He is such a good guy that he just can't stand them. He is becoming the good man Lestrade always thought he might be. (...If he gets off those drugs.)
The Lying Detective » TLD Headscratchers » January 8, 2017 11:38 pm |
I thought the Euros girl was the one Mycroft talked about, too.
I didn't pay too much attention to the names...
The Lying Detective » First Impressions... » January 8, 2017 11:20 pm |
Lis wrote:
So John flirted with Sherlock's sister, that's not weird at all.
Oh this is kind of awesome XD I didn't think about it that way till now.
John must feel... I have no idea how he must feel. How weird indeed!
The Lying Detective » First Impressions... » January 8, 2017 11:17 pm |
I loved how this episode so absolutely captured me.
During the first episode, I was distracted, it was a very different feeling.
This episode was like 5 minutes... my eyes were glued to the screen from the first moment.
If it is so easy to write such an awesome episode... why don't they do it every time? I was slightly disappointed with episode one and now this one made it all up ten times!!
General Sherlock Discussion » The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only) » January 8, 2017 11:05 pm |
I just leave this on your doorstep, Johnlockers, because it was the first thing that came to my mind when they talked and hugged.
What It Is (E. Fried, english translation)
"It is nonsense
says reason
It is what it is
says love
It is calamity
says calculation
It is nothing but pain
says fear
It is hopeless
says insight
It is what it is
says love
It is ludicrous
says pride
It is foolish
says caution
It is impossible
says experience
It is what it is
says love"
The Lying Detective » Why didn't Sherlock recognise his own sister? Discuss! » January 8, 2017 10:46 pm |
Maybe she did something to Redbeard. Maybe there is some explanation why Mycroft keeps mentioning Redbeard.
One thing I am sure of: the next episode will be very interesting. Finally some answers?
The Lying Detective » Why didn't Sherlock recognise his own sister? Discuss! » January 8, 2017 10:45 pm |
What if Sherlock doesn't know?
But can't be - what about the childhood memory scenes? That is clearly them, I guess?
The Lying Detective » Sherrinford connection to Moriarty? » January 8, 2017 10:39 pm |
Wouldn't that be awesome. Moriarty is actually connected to Sherlock's family? Might be one of them even?
I cannot wrap my head around it right now. Maybe they are on the same side, and it's just for attention. But then why threaten John?
Mycroft said he/she was "secure". Apparently not. But it's a hint Sherrinford isn't really a nice one. Or at least quite dangerous right now.
The Lying Detective » First Impressions... » January 8, 2017 10:33 pm |
WOOAAAAAAHHH...
glad you feel the same. WHAT an episode!
Sherlock Links » NGS on Google Street View » January 8, 2017 7:10 pm |
I only found it today, it's truly amazing! <3
I see the music stand exactly like you do (here in Germany).
I don't know what music it is.
The books are hilarious!! And the kitchen!
The Six Thatchers » John's anger towards Sherlock » January 6, 2017 1:45 pm |
I think John (and Mary) look skeptical enough when Sherlock suggests to go back to London because he can protect Mary better there. Mary had her own ideas about her safety, and maybe John had one or two ideas what to do as well.
But in the end, apparently, they let Sherlock convince them, for better or worse. Maybe there could have been a conversation off-screen like "Okay Sherlock, we're coming back, but I am really not sure it's a good idea, and please treat this seriously and not like another of your games and challenges" and Sherlock was like "of course, John, of course"... and that explains very well why Sherlock would have felt he was overconfident and John is so angry.
I also think Sherlock has been doing a good job so far (except maybe dying on John and teasing John in front of a bomb, but apart from that...), but yes, maybe this is the moment where John has to realise Sherlock is really not the hero he thought he was, and Sherlock realizes what it really means when the game gets serious.
John and Sherlock have this conversation about "being a hero", and there is also "no chance to be a hero this time, Sherlock"... so this is a big theme with Sherlock, even if he denies being one. Even Mycroft agrees ("dragon-slayer"). And Sherlock even tells John that he is not the hero, but the drama-queen, the man who loves a good game.
And if that game turns out to end deadly, well, maybe John has had enough this time.
That it was Mary's fault too, I wouldn't argue, but then, she is dead and from John's perspective hard to blame - at least in this stage of grieve, when the feeling of loss is much stronger than any rational arguments. Leaving out all rational options, for John it leaves only Sherlock to blame, justified or not.
The Six Thatchers » What will happen to Rosie? » January 6, 2017 11:21 am |
I am not happy to have a child around, I agree on the "threesome" thing, I cannot see how it would work.
But, on the other hand, I would also find it rather strange, storywise, to kill first Mary and then her baby. Is John supposed to get over that and live happily ever after with Sherlock? Sorry for saying, but even if things like that might - sadly - happen in real life, and people might get over it, I think John would be more likely to finally be done with life. He had suicidal thoughts before, after all.
The Six Thatchers » Mycroft » January 4, 2017 4:16 pm |
I think Mycroft has his priorities as always. In case he knew about the bigger picture... he might have made a choice to let Mary meet her fate. Mycroft might do anything to save Sherlock - but maybe not anything to save Mary. Maybe that's why he is questioning the seriousness of Sherlock's vow - because he already suspects (knows?!?) Mary's time is up, and he wants to make sure Sherlock steps back a bit from his mission to save her. And that would explain Mrs. Hudsons anger, too.
Are there scenes with Mycroft and Mary that could hint at their relationship? I cannot remember right now. Just the Christmas Dinner.
I find it funny... Sherlock the dragon-slayer, Mycroft the reptile. (At least it's debatable if dragons classify as reptiles, too.)