The Lying Detective » Eurus - the east wind » January 12, 2017 6:26 pm |
Schmiezi wrote:
I think it is right before Mary Poppins arrives. Her friend (what was his name? Bert?) sings it.
Yes, exactly. He (Bert) sings it right at the beginning. Wind changes and suddenly it's coming from the East. I always liked that song, it's very short, but introduces Mary Poppins. And it came to my mind when Sherlock talked about it. Must be a recurrent metaphore in English culture. Maybe.
The Lying Detective » How's John going to survive... » January 12, 2017 6:18 pm |
Kae Em wrote:
Eurus wasn't aiming the gun at John but at the "him" she mentioned twice while talking to John. She sais: "My parents loved silly names like Eururs, or Mycroft, or Sherlock. Oh, look at him!" And after that "look at him" she adresses John again directly, not in the third person. So in the end, when she sais "He's making a funny face! I put a hole in it" she's not talking about John making a funny face, but that third person she mentioned earlier making a funny face. So my theory is that she's hallucinating someone - probably Sherlock? - and aiming the gun at that hallucination, not at John.
I like this theory! As I posted in another thread, she eventually looks to her left while talking to John (right before taking off her glasses). And she stated that she knew the difference between looking away and looking to. Maybe because she hallucinates too and she often does it.
General Sherlock Discussion » The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only) » January 12, 2017 6:10 pm |
ewige wrote:
I honestly think that a definite non-JL ending is impossible. You know how it is in statistics? You have to work really hard to prove the absense of something, whereas you need only one positive result to prove that something exists.
Besides, it all depends on TFP being the final ep or not. If we assume it's been written as the show finale, then the only really obvious thing that can happen is that no obvious commitment (i.e. a kiss) between John and Sherlock is shown. But then, that would merely prove that Mark and Steven don't want to make the show the flagship of LGBT representation. That wouldn't prove Sherlock and John don't love each other more than friends!
I don't know where the idea with the kiss came from (I suspect it's that kissy face Benedict made at SDCC?) so I'm actually not holding out for one. I only want to see John and Sherlock committing to each other. The interpretation of this commitment will probably depend on our individual perception. But if John and Sherlock (and Rosie!) end up living in the same place and are shown happy and contented with each other - with no more serial dating for John and no shooting up for Sherlock - then I'm positive the boys will end up in bed at some point too, even if it's not hinted at on screen.
I absolutely agree with you. I'm not sure about JL kiss, I don't think it's going to happen (Mark said they aren't intending to write an openly gay couple), but there are ways to hint that they will live happily ever after with each other (not sure about the bed either, Sherlock's quite special, haha), as they lived in ACD's canon (well, until Sherlock Holmes went to Sussex, I think. But, do we know for sure that Dr. Watson didn't move in with him?).
Character Analysis » Is Sherlock humanised through John? » January 12, 2017 12:02 am |
They slightly remind me of Don Quixote and Sancho, Sherlock being the idealistic and brainy one (Don Quixote) and John being the practical and grounded (Sancho), taking some obvious differences. All along the novel, Don Quixote and Sancho keep interacting and, at the end, Don Quixote has taken some traits from Sancho's personality and vice versa. We call this Quixotization of Sancho and Sanchification of Don Quixote.
I think this is what's happening to John and Sherlock as well. Sherlock has always been human, but he suppressed his emotions eventually ("Oh, Watson, nothing made me: I made me", TAB), though I think that decission might be related to his past, Redbeard, family... Then, with John's help, presence, praise, loyalty and caring, I think that any wall Sherlock might had built around him started to crack. He cares about people again, he can't control his emotions like he used to, he reads into people's emotions better
In the same way, I think John's life -though it could seem quite contradictory- has improved in Sherlock's company, with running after danger and stuff. John was a little suicidal after he returned from war and before meeting Sherlock. He didn't have any aims in his life, it was pointless. Then Sherlock provided adrenaline and goals. Plus, John's deductions are far better now. And, at last, he's learning to open himself a little, to share his feelings.
So yes, I think Sherlock is being influenced by John and John by Sherlock. Sherlockization of John and Johnification of Sherlock. Hahaha.
(Sorry for my English, really. I wanted to communicate some deep theories and to do justice to such great characters as Don Quixote, Sancho, Sherlock and John, but I might have messed it up with my lack of fluency, sorry).
The Lying Detective » Sherlock and Eurus - do they like each other? » January 11, 2017 11:27 pm |
SusiGo wrote:
I think she has been playing a role every time. The coquettish woman on the bus for John, the John copy (gun, cane, running around London, eating together) for Sherlock, the therapist for John. She has been playing them like Irene did with the Holmes boys, another Moriarty parallel btw.
If the last scene reveals the true Eurus, I fear she is a psychopath who is a very good actor at the same time.
Wow, very well put. She impersonated exactly the characters both John and Sherlock needed the most at any particular moment... She can read into people.
The Lying Detective » How's John going to survive... » January 11, 2017 10:51 pm |
tonnaree wrote:
I know that this is just crack but the best thing I've read lately what someone posted on tumblr. They said what should happen is that Ella should bust into the office with a shotgun screaming "Not On My Watch! I've spent six years trying to keep this angry trashcan alive." And then blows Eurus away.
Hahahahaha. How am I supposed to go on being serious after reading this! Wonderful and hilarious!
I think Eurus might want to scare John. She dropped the bomb: "I'm the secret sibling" and might want to play a little. Could it be that the gun was half-loaded? Russian roulette, maybe? It's quite Moriarty-like, isn't it? She might be playing a game with John's mind. She's being playing for a while now: assuming different identities, flirting with John, testing Sherlock...
The Lying Detective » How's John going to survive... » January 11, 2017 10:11 pm |
... the gunshot? (I didn't want to write such a huge spoiler in the title).
I'm not sure if it's been asked yet, but, what do you think? I think there's no bullet in the gun. I can't see it when Eurus shoots him.
The Lying Detective » Mycroft and Lady Smallwood » January 11, 2017 9:47 pm |
I laughed and stared open-mouthed at the screen when Lady Smallwood complained to Mycroft about her arrest in the previous episode and Mycroft asked her how he could make her up. Then they cut to Eurus/Faith saying "Sex" right away! She was asking Sherlock how he deduced the lack of sex between her and her boyfriend. I didn't really pay attention to that until I saw Mycroft and Lady Smallwood putting on their coats in Mycroft's dungeon/office later. Hahahahaha. Then I thought dirty things.
The Lying Detective » TLD Headscratchers » January 11, 2017 9:35 pm |
nakahara wrote:
We have this mysterious scene here:
What is the meaning of that weird gesture Euros is making at the third pic? She is not wearing a watch - is she looking at the ring on her finger, or what?
I don't know what she was doing in the gif you're asking about, but very observant of you, indeed.
I removed the gifs you added to your comment and left just this one, where Eurus talks about the difference between looking away and looking to, because there's a moment in the last scene where she does exactly the same. I don't know how to post gifs, but I'm sure you all remember it. She's talking to John again, they're still seated, and right before taking off her glasses, she looks to her left. Is she seeing anyone in her mind?
The Lying Detective » Eurus - the east wind » January 11, 2017 8:20 pm |
A stupid thing to say, maybe, but the first time I heard about the East Wind in 'Sherlock' I immediately remembered a Mary Poppins song:
"Winds in the east, mist coming in, / Like somethin' is brewin' and bout to begin. / Can't put my finger on what lies in store, / But I fear what's to happen all happened before."
It fits 'Sherlock' story, though I know it isn't related.
The Lying Detective » An imaginary sister? Sherlock = Eurus? » January 11, 2017 8:09 pm |
Mmm, interesting theory, though it sounds too forced to me.
Following your train of thought, Eurus could symbolise one part of Sherlock's mind. Eurus = angsty Sherlock losing control. John said something like "East Wind is coming" referring to Sherlock's return. Could be a metaphore as well. But I think the woman is flesh and blood.
Series Four News » Sherlock Live » January 11, 2017 7:11 pm |
Aha. Some fan, then. But it's hilarious, anyway.
Series Four News » Sherlock Live » January 11, 2017 6:36 pm |
Hahahaha. I can't stop laughing at the pics! Sherlockians are so witty and creative!
Do you know who does run Sherlock's official Twitter account, by the way? It's hilarious.
General Sherlock Discussion » The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only) » January 10, 2017 10:30 pm |
SusiGo wrote:
And something for the night - but be warned, this is
and
at the same time:
Aaww, very beautiful and intimate. You can appreciate John's sobbing perfectly.
The Lying Detective » Favourite scenes (photos/gifs) » January 10, 2017 10:13 pm |
ewige wrote:
Well, John thinks Sherlock sets too high a standard for himself but Sherlock actually thinks that John is a much, much more deserving of a pedestal. And it's ok to leave that high place and be normal a little, too. It's ok to be week, even for a soldier. It's ok to see ghosts, even for a doctor.
Thanks, ewige. Very beautifully explained. That's what I got, as well.
The Lying Detective » Favourite scenes (photos/gifs) » January 10, 2017 10:04 pm |
Ivy wrote:
I'm not sure I understand this part. What's Sherlock telling John, that he should relax a little, stop being the soldier, show his emotions?
Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Could S4 be the last one? » January 10, 2017 9:58 pm |
So I get my fears confirmed.
Having to wait two years for a new season of Sherlock isn't cool, but not having the hope of it coming is going to be like losing someone...
Series Four News » Sherlock Live » January 10, 2017 9:24 pm |
Hahaha, I love this forum. Who did notice the S and J coincidence?
Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Could S4 be the last one? » January 9, 2017 10:25 pm |
Thanks for the link, Lola Red. I wasn't able to find it.
I'm still quite scared, but I'm going to believe you.
General Sherlock Discussion » The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only) » January 9, 2017 10:18 pm |
Schmiezi wrote:
Okay, so I have just watched the hugging scene for the second time and I must say I am amazed by how brilliantly it is written. You can see it both ways, as Johnlock milestone or as friendship and Sherlock loves Irene. Both ways work, even they are completely different.
By that, they made me as happy as every non-shipper.
My Johnlock heart is even more happy after watching it again. So many significant lines, and looks, and John crying. *sigh* Mary so sweet again line in HLV, and John telling himself through her to be the man he wants to be.
BTW, I can fully understand why John felt attracted to her. When your partner sees you as the person you want to be deep inside, that feels wonderful. (Does Sherlock see him like that, too?)
Yet, John did not love her enough to throw "E's" number away, the marriage was boring, and dead Mary disappears at the hospital as soon as the game is on.
I think I love this episode!
Very good points.
John will always remember Mary. Even in ACD's canon he refers to her as "his great loss". But, fortunately, time heals every wound and John will get over her death eventually. I think it's quite early for John to start dating again, or even thinking of being in love with someone else (though "I wanted more. I still want it").
As for Johnlock, I would be happy if they ended this season with John and Sherlock back in 221B solving crimes together and being able to speak a little more to each other about their concerns and feelings. The rest, I don't know. Moftiss will provide. But, please, make more seasons...