Tinks wrote:

But if he's been through so much that it's caused him to appear to almost close down on Sherlock, why is he not closing down on his Wife, the person whose real name he doesn't even know? The one who shot his friend?
Sherlock hurt him for his own good - he's a character who needs his familiarity and his known people around him who played dead for two years and made no contact with the only friend he had, in order to keep that friend safe - and while that caused John tremendous pain, he honestly should know Sherlock well enough by now to know it wasn't just a game he was playing - it was done for a reason.
What Mary did was not Sherlock's fault. At all. If John still has problems with that then he needs to address them, but letting Sherlock throw everything away - again, and not making any acknowledgement of the fact.
No - I can't square that - unless as I said earlier, something else is going on.

Based on the length of hospital stay posts on the forum, John and Mary had been effectively separated for months following the incident and were just reuniting on Christmas.

I wouldn't call that just immediately forgiving her especially when you consider she's pregnant. A state that typically someone in a marriage, they were both happy when sherlock broke the news (other than johns annoyance that sherlock was telling him), would draw closer to the spouse.

During that time we have no reason to believe he and sherlock were at odds.

I think ignoring all that is just trying to fit the show into ones own construct.

Also, people are placing too much emphasis on behavior.

If the characters acted all even keeled like in reality, it wouldn't be exciting. Emotions are ramped up for dramatic factor.

People keep bringing up johns violence in TEH but I believe it was all for drama and a laugh.

Really they fight inTHREE restaurants? Not normal life.

Also follows the comedic rule of three.

There are things that yes are insights to the character that will be

Willow wrote:

Tinks wrote:

Well I hadn't thought of the idea that he may have been unknowingly drugged before,but it's certainly not outside the realms of possibility, imo - something has to explain him being so out of character, anyway - people have offered excuses for his behaviour towards Sherlock at Baker Street, and while I may not necessarily agree with them, I can see their point, even if I find that scene devastating.
But I can't understand his watching Sherlock go away, believing he'll never see him again,for a crime he wouldn't have committed if it weren't for John's wife (the one who almost killed him), without a word of protest or thanks - that's not John - you know? The guy who punched someone for saying Sherlock looked like " a weirdo"?
Something is off, that's for sure.
Could it be that he and Mycroft are in on something that Sherlock and Mary don't know about yet?
I don't know, but hopefully all will be explained.

That's a really good point about John and Mycroft; we are so used to their somewhat antagonistic relationship that it does make it easy for us not to spot the possibility that John and Mycroft are acting on their own plan, and keeping every one else out of the plan, thus inverting TRF where John was left out of the plan, admittedly for the best of reasons.

The airfield scene is so brutal that I, like you, cannot find Dr Watson in the figure who apparently really saw no reason to apologise, or say thank you, or even allow his friend to choose one of the baby's names, because Mary has announced that she chooses the names.

This just doesn't make sense

 

Again with the baby names.

Why does everyone keep saying only Mary gets to choose names.: she said no to John having full say without her input (which was to put Sherlocks name in there correct?) not that he can't have input and she has sold naming rights.

Lets stop reframing things.

I'm not sure John is acting so out go character for someone who has gone throug

I've been wondering since reading some threads sayinf moriarty really is dead and obviously that wasn't his real voice....

Could mycroff have set that up so he had the reason to being to sherlock home four minutes into exile?

Would be quite easy for mycroff to broadcast it nation wide...

Willow wrote:

The dialogue is John says 'I get to choose the baby's name', to which Mary says 'Not a chance', followed by John saying 'OK'.

I really don't see how that can be construed as anything other than Mary issuing an order followed by John immediately complying with her demand.

It means he doesn't get to choose the name singularly. She doesn't say they can't both decide on it, that she's the one who will choose and he gets no input.

People are just out for her at this point 😆

TeeJay wrote:

Tinks wrote:

But ignoring the fact that his best friend was in agony? Telling him to shut up, or he wouldn't need morphine?

Uhm, excuse me while I butt in and take a stand for John here. His whole world just fell apart. He only just found out his wife had been lying to him ever since he met her, and she also shot his best friend in the torso in cold blood while he interrupted her threatening to kill Magnussen.

Sherlock, while clearly in discomfort, is putting up a brave facade. He's walking and talking albeit a bit wobbly, but you'd expect that after a gunshot wound and surgery a mere few days previously. John also knows Sherlock is prone to drama queening, so John was easy to ignore the morphine comment. I find it perfectly understandable that John would be too preoccupied with trying to pick the pieces of his shattered world to notice that his friend might have internal bleeding.

To add to johns defense- he looks rather incredulous when sherlock scolds him for being so hard on Mary and says she saved his life.

I think much of his outrage lies in the fact she shot sherlock - to death really, he did die.

Ozma wrote:

yes. But that He would choose her over Sherlock is hardly a betrayal – he is married after all and therefore has got to live with her. Not much choice there. Even IF he didn’t love her, unless he wanted a divorce he would still need to live with her.
I find it quite interesting instead that, according to Bill’s deduction at the beginning, John is feeling restless already in his married life and has a suitcase ready? That is telling – possibly of how much he misses his buddy.
I guess this has changed now seeing as Mary has revealed herself to be quite interesting in terms of adrenaline and thrills…

I keep reading this bit about the suitcase on this site and a sign he's restless with Mary.

Bills deduction regarding the shirt merely was that he bikes to work now. He keeps his clothes folded - ready to pack - because he dresses for work at work (I believe he deduced showers there as well)

Because he bike rides to work - who wants a sweaty doctor? His clothes are folded to pack for work not to run out on Mary in the middle of the night.

However he is restless without action and cases- his addiction. Which is why he bike rides probably or over eats?  They mention the weight gain , maybe drinks?

He's trying to burn off the anxious energy (or the lbs from the boredom eating or drinking) bc he's addicted to thrill.

He's not unhappy with Mary he just misses "cluing for looks"

Which is also partly why he's so pissed when he finds sherlock- he's been left out of a mission.

I'm just wondering about all the speculation surrounding the month John and Sherlock didn't speak. People have mentioned drifting apart or getting busy- but I assumed it was part of Sherlocks "undercover " ruse.

It would make sense if he was falling back into drugs to avoid Watson- we saw how he reacted dragging him immediately to Molly

"Sherlock Holmes needs to pee in a cup"

Also, for the reality of it for CAM. Addicts slipping back into addiction will distance themselves from friends and family- often a sign someone is using drugs.

Watson also seems quite pissed that sherlock hadn't been in contact which led me to believe it was on sherlock not due to John being a newly wed.

On the hospital stay-
With his injury it does seem quite likely he would be in for awhile. If he was bleeding internally he may have needed surgery and possibly had infections.

Also, someone with addictions, while I know the various addict levels of drugs  has been bandied about - but if he's already susceptible to addiction isn't it likely that he may have had to stay a bit longer to be sure they had detoxed him off them fully hence a longer stay?

I've heard many addicts talk about not taking pain meds after sobering up, even after surgery (admittedly more minor Surgery than a liver bullet wound with internal bleeding)

Also, as people have stated be seems quite recovered - not moving tenderly so he certainly has had time to heal.

I had a kidney infection which landed me in hospital just overnight but hurt for months after. I can only imagine a bullet to the liver with surgery would take some time til he wouldn't have to walk about in a more delicate manner  so the mothers comments about him being out of hospital make sense. Even if he hadn't just been discharged immediately before Christmas he surely had a few weeks of taking it easy (especially if he didnt take pain killers at home so as to stay sharp and not fall into addiction) so he wouldn't have been up for get togethers- or