His Last Vow » Funny moments in HLV » January 15, 2014 5:50 pm |
Schmiezi wrote:
SilverMoonDragonB wrote:
Schmiezi wrote:
John's face(s) during the entire scene with Janine at 221b. I could watch it in slow motion over and over again.
I think his reaction reflected so much of the fandom in that moment....
For a short moment I wished I hadn't read "The Advenure Of Charles August Milverton". I surely would have looked just like John.
I had re-read it just the day before but I was soooo WTF that I didn't make the connection.
My face was exactly like John's LOL
His Last Vow » Why is Janine not dead? » January 15, 2014 3:17 pm |
I'm listening to the Empire podcast and Mofftiss said that Mary entered through a window (TBB style) because she is a highly trianed agent.
His Last Vow » Funny moments in HLV » January 15, 2014 3:14 pm |
Sherlock: I'm undercover.
John: No, you're not!
Sherlock: Well, I'm not now!
Sherlock's tantrums always make me laugh
His Last Vow » Funny moments in HLV » January 15, 2014 2:27 pm |
Ozma wrote:
he can't drive? I didn't know!
No, he can't, that's why Sherlock drove the jeep in THoB
His Last Vow » Funny moments in HLV » January 15, 2014 1:38 pm |
Hello!
Well, there are obviously many deep, sad and dramatic moments in HLV being discussed in other topics so why don't we talk about the funny ones? I'm starting:
One very funny moment for me was when John is leaving to "rescue" Isaac Whitney from the drug den. I was like "Is Martin going to drive? Really?" because well, he can't. And then Mary comes out of the house and goes with him and they go into the car and there is a very sudden cut to the car already at their destination and John taking the tyre iron (or whatever is called) from the trunk and I was... LOL
You weren't very subtle there.
His Last Vow » Why is Janine not dead? » January 15, 2014 12:49 pm |
Willow wrote:
Mrs. Watson wrote:
How does Janine arrive to work every day? Does she uses Magnussen's private lift or there is another lift she uses? Anyway she must have a card that gives her access or someone else must have one (a security person that lets her in). Cards can be stolen or cloned and I'm sure Mary found a way to do just that to get in. I don't think Janine gave her access.
I should perhaps explain that I live in the City and worked here for many years; it is riddled with paranoia which makes it cutting edge security territory. All cards and all keys will have an elaborate tracking system which enables them to be traced at all times; no-one, but no-one, can obtain copies or clones because the companies whose job it is to produce those cards and keys will only do so for a request signed by the top security officer who will have already have launched an investigation into how one went missing.
I cannot even obtain duplicates of my own personal keys to my home from anyone other than the one company that makes them, and I need to have a very good reason indeed to order them. I am expected to have made a police report about the missing/mislaid/stolen keys.
I appreciate that what seems normal to me may seem strange to people who are not familiar with the City, but that is the way the City works; it's why anyone living here falls about laughing at the idea that a card could be stolen and/or cloned.
And thus, having eliminated the impossible we are left with one option; Janine let her in.
Willow, thank you for the information and I think you are technically right but not story-wise right. I mean, security systems in the city work as you explained but in HLV they either chose to ignore that and Mary found a way to clone/steal a card or thare was another way in. I don't think Janine let Mary in. She didn't know Sherlock was going to interrupt her so when Magnussen body was found Janine would have said "Mary was here!". It makes no s
…The Sign of Three » CAM's wedding message to Mary » January 15, 2014 12:35 pm |
I think that CAM had contacted before (Why? Did he make her do somthing for him in exchange of his silence?) so she knows who is sending the message. He mentions her family because she has family although they maybe think her dead. Any way she can't contact them but CAM is reminding her that he can.
His Last Vow » Mary » January 15, 2014 12:46 am |
I think series 4 will start where series 3 ended (like series 2 did). They need to address "Moriarty's" return
His Last Vow » Why is Janine not dead? » January 15, 2014 12:41 am |
How does Janine arrive to work every day? Does she uses Magnussen's private lift or there is another lift she uses? Anyway she must have a card that gives her access or someone else must have one (a security person that lets her in). Cards can be stolen or cloned and I'm sure Mary found a way to do just that to get in. I don't think Janine gave her access.
His Last Vow » Mary » January 14, 2014 11:32 pm |
What if Lady Smallwood had hired her to kill Magnussen or if the father of a child who was abused had hired her to kill the abuser because the justice failed to incarcerate him/her? Would it be morally wrong? Many would say yes because they consider that taking someone else's life is always wrong (i.e. They oppose death penalty) and I respect their opinion but I don't agree with them. And what would happen if it was their child the one who is abused or their mother the one that is kidnapped or murdered? Would they continue thinking the same?
We don't know what Mary did and would really like to know. Who did she kill? Even if you are an assassin it doesn't mean that everyone you kill is an innocent lamb. In real life there really bad people killed by contract (Does it really make a difference who pays the killer'a salary?)
I don't mind if you disagree with me. What I like is this series and this episode in particular being so provocative. That's good TV in my opinion.
His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 14, 2014 11:16 pm |
Amy Airiel wrote:
Marva wrote:
Amy, I've made a somewhat similar experience. I've been a johnlocker, but only in terms of fanfic etc. This is the first time I actually see it on screen. As I stated before somewhere: I would have bought it if Sherlock had confessed his (romantic) love at the airplane.
I would have, too. Totally. What for other people including me some time ago would have been weird and senseless; would have turned very plausible, even certainly beautiful. And painful, really painful, given that he was gonna leave forever.
I'm a romantic.
I agree. There are things that are a fact (i.e. John is straight, he likes women and see Sherlock only as a friend). So I'm not expecting them to become romantically involved, I know that it won't happen. But my point in this thread is that Sherlock loves John deeply and unconditionally. Is it romantic love? I don't know because I'm not sure Sherlock is able to feel romantic love.
If you had asked me in series 1 I would had said that I wasn't sure that Sherlock could love at all (any kind of love). In series 2 I would have said he could feel respect and that he cared deeply for John.
I have always been a Johnlocker but I was the 1st one to admit that it was only a fantasy and I couldn't see it in the show (well, except when John got jealous of Irene). But now? This entire series has been a testament to how much Sherlock loves John. John loves Sherlock too but only as a friend (a brother maybe), that's clear. Sherlock loves John above everything (even above his own freedom and even his own life). Call it whatever kind of love that you want but it's so big and so unconditional that it really makes me cry.
His Last Vow » Mary » January 14, 2014 10:57 pm |
Swanpride wrote:
My point was that it is not as easy as saying "murdering someone for money is the worst kind of murder" - there are always the circumstances to consider and we don't know the circumstances. Mary started out as a trained agent - so all the murders she did in the beginning were part of her job. Later she freelanced - why? Because of the money? She is apparently not particularly rich. Because she wanted to get away from the thumb of the organisation she worked for beforehand?
We neither know why she became an agent in the first place, why she decided to freelance and why she decided to give up her "job". We only know that Magnusson calls her a "bad, bad girl" and that she herself considers what she has done so bad that nobody would be able to love her knowing about it. But Magnusson is a guy who would paint someone as pedophile, knowing fully well that it isn't the truth, and she herself feels guilty for whatever she did, but people feel guilty for a lot of things other people don't consider that bad. So without the information on the stick, how are we supposed to judge her for her past?
Who knows, Mrs. Hudson helping out her husband might have killed more people indirectly than Mary did directly.
I agree with you. Mary is obviously a flawed person but since we don't know anything about her we can't judge her. I wonder if she told Sherlock something about her past. He might be the one person who could understand her.
His Last Vow » Mary » January 14, 2014 9:05 pm |
Ozma wrote:
belis wrote:
Amy Airiel wrote:
I want all of this THOROUGHLY REFLECTED by John Watson, not just a couple of days and a burnt USB.
Was it not a couple of months that have elapsed? It seemed to be summer time when Sherlock got shot and Christmas when John and Mery had the USB conversation. So that is a considerable length of time to think things true.yes, it was a few months...
The wedding was apparently in May so HLV occurs in June (John hasn't seen Sherlock in a month according to Mary). John forgives her on Xmas day so yeah, he had about 6 months to think about it.
I have a question: where has John being living during those months? With Mary or back at Baker Street?
His Last Vow » Mary » January 14, 2014 6:50 pm |
I watched HLV last night again and at the end (farewell scene) when Mary says "I will keep him in trouble" and Sherlock hugs her and says "That's my girl" it's so obvious that Sherlock really like her and that she really likes him. I love that. They are obviously not very sane people (not sociopaths but nor completely normal, sane people either) so they understand each other and like each other not matter what.
His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 14, 2014 4:16 pm |
SolarSystem wrote:
I just found this on tumblr and it almost made me cry...
…
everyone on my dash is screaming “HE WAS SO GOING TO SAY HE LOVED HIM” , but he did say that, weren’t you paying attention?
Sherlock and John don’t communicate the way “normal” people do - how could they? One is an adrenaline junkie who seeks out bullets even after one left a web of dead cells on his shoulder and the other introduces himself as a “high functioning sociopath” to protect himself from his own emotions (because his childhood pet died - I’m crying into eternity over that.)
So what did we see?
He took his glove off when he shook John’s hand, he offered his name, full name, to be theirs - remember how John hates his name, but “gives” it whilst Sherlock is, to his eyes, flirting with Irene?
He shot a man. He shot a man. In the head. Point blank, no regrets. He shot a man for John Watson. He jumped in a fire for John Watson. He jumped off a roof for John Watson.
He helped pick out the colour for the bride’s maid’s dresses for John Watson. He wrote that best man’s speech for John Watson. He saved “the most unsociable man he’s ever met” for John Watson.
He moved John’s chair because he couldn’t bear to see it vacant. (or for Janine to sit in it? It’s John’s after all.)
He got bloody engaged to ensure John’s wife was fine.
He relapsed.
He fucking bought himself back into consciousness with the thought “John Watson is in danger” after being shot.
He let John choose if he wanted Mary to stay. He only told John “six months”, so he wouldn’t worry him, because that’s not on - John can’t worry, because John Watson is his top priority.
He knew he was going to his death so he made that joke about his name so he would see John Watson smile.
He did all that fully knowing that while John is his pressure point, he is not John’s.
If that’s not an “I love you”, than, my dear fandom, I don’t know what more do you want.
His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 14, 2014 3:29 am |
I just watched HLV again and it really made me cry when Sherlock kills Magnussen and says "Give my love to Mary".
Also the farewell scene at the airport. The look in his eyes is so sweet!
And as someone suggested in Tumblr, he definitively had cried before Mycroft called him.
His Last Vow » The memory stick » January 14, 2014 1:44 am |
It looks like the same memory stick to me. The writing in the one that John throws into the fire is faded which makes sense because several months have passed.
His Last Vow » CAM´s death » January 14, 2014 12:54 am |
1) Somebody has explained before that owning a gun is quite difficult in the UK. Even an ex-soldier wouldn't be allowed to have one. And when they searched John at 221B he didn't have one.
2) Magnussen knew what Sherlock was planning and that Mycroft was coming with troops. So I guess he never imagined that John or Sherlock were going to have a gun (what for?) or that Sherlock was going to shoot him. As far as he knew Sherlock had never killed or even shoot anyone.
His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 13, 2014 11:26 pm |
And "Hello?" why did Sherlock speak to John I'm the drug den? Had he remained silent he would have stayed undetected. Feeling lonely anyone?
Series Three Suggestions & Ideas » Moran » January 13, 2014 10:30 pm |
There was a character named Moran, but the "personality" of the Canon Moran hasn't been featured.