nakahara wrote:

Whisky wrote:

Preceja wrote:

It is a show, but Sherrinford...... perfectly sane person would desire to kill after being locked at something like that for years. And even quite normal child grow into a monster.

I also wondered. Cleverness can be a challenge, but locking someone up in this thing... who wouldn't become insane. Also there were reasons why Eurus became that way. Apparently she was just a little girl which didn't get the attention she would have liked, and who didn't know what to do with her skills and abilities. Poor girl.

Well, after it was revealed that she drowned the little boy in the well before she was locked in an institution, my sympathy for her went into zero. (Also, after it was revealed that she killed the psychologist in TLD).

Yes, of course. Better phrased: she could have been someone else, maybe. About the loss of the chance of being someone else, someone healthy and happy, I can easily feel sorry.

 

SolarSystem wrote:

Whisky wrote:

@SolarSystem: I am actually relieved to hear this. I thought I'd be alone with this feeling.

At points I felt so disappointed it hurt. I loved the second episode, and I was hoping so much for the final, and after ten minutes into the episode, I realised: this is not it. That felt quite bitter.

Again, same here. I don't really like T6T, but TLD was brilliant, for me the best episode since TRF. But today was just... not convincing. It even felt a bit boring to me at times, especially the whole playing games part at Sherrinford. Moriarty... I have always loved him, but today he was really getting on my nerves. And the game Eurus played with the boys... well, not exactly new, I have seen stuff like that in so many movies.
It just didn't feel like the show I fell in love with anymore. TLD actually did, but TFP... I don't know what to make of this, quite frankly.
 

Well, I will confess I chatted with friends while watching. While watching for the first time! I have never done this before during a Sherlock episode, and it was simply because I was bored. There were scenes that caught my attention, but my problem was: I don't like horror. Also, I like diversity in locations, and being stuck in that place for the most part of the episode wasn't really my cup of tea. Then, it all felt surreal, too much, and predictable. I enjoyed the nods to canon. Ah, and I liked seeing Molly. I didn't understand where the episode took off. So, what about John, Eurus, the gun? And Sherlock's reaction to having a sister? Didn't convince me at all. I don't know. I'm sad.
 

@SolarSystem: I am actually relieved to hear this. I thought I'd be alone with this feeling.

At points I felt so disappointed it hurt. I loved the second episode, and I was hoping so much for the final, and after ten minutes into the episode, I realised: this is not it. That felt quite bitter.
 

For me it is the end. I am not sure it is THE end though.

This turned out to be a nice theory... Got close! We Will know more on Sunday

I agree, John was hurting so much he was in danger to die (at his own hands, maybe even). Sherlock was aware. And I don't know how to phrase this, but maybe he was even glad John was finally letting go, letting himself feel all the pain, because Sherlock knew that was the way out for him. Yes, it was gross, and brutal, and dangerous (he could really have hurt Sherlock in a permanent way). But I think John wasn't thinking, he was just feeling, and loosing touch to everything else.

And if we go really far, and think of the affection between the two, maybe Sherlock was okay with feeling the pain John felt. Just in a different way. Like sharing it to ease it. I could never forgive such an assault. Except I'd see true regret. John's breakdown shows me that he now has let out the anger, but is now eaten by guilt.

It is the stages of grief again. The denial, the anger, the breakdown, the grief, the acceptance... it is all there. Very classic. How violent the anger is, how deep the grief... it's something I would never want to judge. Like we established in another thread, grief isn't rational. John isn't rational when he beats Sherlock up, I am sure of that at least.

We always look at Sherlock's development. But look at John's. He is changing, too. And not smoothly. He is also loosing his footing, again and again, but in different ways.

From own experience, I would always say that keeping your anger to yourself does at least as much harm as letting it out (maybe doing others harm). John doesn't beat Molly up, or Mrs. Hudson, or Mycroft, or the secretary. He turns to Sherlock, because sometimes we (need to) hurt the ones the most we love the most.
I don't know how to phrase this better, it sounds wrong, but I don't mean abuse. I mean desperation.

Also calling something okay and understand something are two different things. I would never call violence okay. But I understand it can happen. We are all human, aren't we. We tend to look at the results, not to the cause. We

I cannot do gifs, but that scene, where Sherlock stands in 221b and there are notes everywhere, I totally thought of Anderson theorizing when Sherlock was "dead". It had me laugh out so loud! God apperently I do miss Anderson sometimes

Rewatching. This I did miss the first time The dialogue between Mycroft and Lady Smallwood.
M: "I have, I think, apologized extensively."
L S: "You haven't made it up to me."
M: "How am I supposed to do that?"
different scene, Euros/c.'s daughter: "Sex."

So someone of the writers had this imagine in his mind? Ha!
 

I didn't see this. Wow that's cool!

Rewatching is really a scary thing.
How John's therapist/Euros says to John during the therapy session: "I am reminding you of your friend." So that is a confession of sorts. Poor John, how could he know.
But I guess that is a strong hint she is actually the sister.