I think the biggest problem with the best man speech was how freaking LONG it was. But I actually though that most of the seemingly-rather-inappropriate comments were self-deprecating in a cute way and a way that ultimately showed how much he loved John.

besleybean wrote:

Well Sherlock's gonna give John his miracle, so he damn well better appreciate it.

This was kind of my reaction when I saw how angry John was in The Empty Hearse. Thank you for wording it so well!

I wonder if when he stalks off, he ever really intends to be "done" with Sherlock, or at what point he decides to go back?

As for the "miracle" comment...I too found the use of "one more" very telling...to me it suggested that John considers many things Sherlock has done to be miracles. And he doesn't ask a Higher Power for the miracle of Sherlock being alive...he asks Sherlock himself for the miracle.

But curing John's limp is definitely one that stands out for me, because I noticed the religous symbolism (and started a whole different thread on that.) Saving Irene was kind of miraculous, too (but John may not know about that.)

Re: "Don't be dead," I'm sure it must have at least OCCURRED to John at some point that Sherlock could be faking...or perhaps could be capable of a "resurrection" in a more truly miraculous sense.

After watching the flashback (real or not) in TEH, I realized that "It's a trick. It's all magic trick," was code for, "I'm not really going to commit suicide, I'm just going to do a magic trick."

And, Sherlock being Sherlock, it is POSSIBLE that he rationalized that by saying that phrase, he HAD told John that truth. But that doesn't get him off the hook, because he knows John isn't the deducer that he is; he should have realized John wouldn't get it.

Actually, I think Sherlock's pulling off the faked death was a bit of a miracle! He could have been injured jumping into the air bag...someone could have seen him hit the air bag...many things could have gone wrong.

This fanfic was written before the BBC series existed. It is based on canon, but it explores the idea of Watson coping by "pretending" that Holmes is coming back: http://moustache-wax.livejournal.com/7396.html

To me, this makes perfect sense. I think by stating that he wanted to consider Sherlock's return as a miracle, John expressed that he had truely forgiven Sherlock. Because there's nothing to be angry about when someone has just "given" you a miracle, is there?

And, if it's a miracle, it doesn't have to be the result of an intricate scheme that involved a lot of lying to John.

And frankly, even if the third explanation we saw was the real one, it WAS a bit of a miracle...that everything went off as planned and no one suspected you. And you could say that regardless of Sherlock's method for jumping and surviving...it was a miracle he pulled it off.

Because it's possible to jump into an airbag or safety net and still be hurt.

Swanpride wrote:

But this were not the flowers of the bride...well...perhaps it was, in a way.

Seriously this whole thing looks like a threesome wedding, and not just because John and Sherlock turned up in partnerlook. First Mary, John and Sherlock are greeting the guests, with the bridesmaids behind them, then Sherlock and John tell each other how much they are in love, then Sherlock makes a lifetime vow and then he throws "his" boquet.

What do you mean by the bolded ("partnerlook"?)

I think with Johnlock goggles on, you can actually looking at the early-leaving either way: on the one hand, it could have been because it hurt him to watch John dance with someone else (and think of what he and Mary would do later on).

On the other hand, if he had stayed at the wedding, he'd be where he could see John, and perhaps talk to John some more.

And if we still go with the theory that he has Asperger's, being at that kind of event and doing his best to be social when it doesn't come naturally, could be just plain tiring.

When you're not in front of a computer, you make notes on a little pad or sticky-note about thoughts you've had about anything Sherlock-related that you haven't posted yet.

When somebody leaves a message at your office that displays their lack of social skills, and you find it funny and go, "Sounds like Sherlock."

When you think of looking something up as "Sherlock-ing around for it." Or, in the case of legal research, if what you find helps your case/cause and you think of it as "Sherlock-ing" or "out-Sherlock-ing" the other side.

"Sorry about that last one."

Wasn't Sherlock saying John had been through many losses, and "that last one," was Sherlock's supposed death?

ancientsgate wrote:

Johnlock forever. Done. Nothing that happens or doesn't happen, whoever comes along or doesn't come along, nothing will ever change the love between those two men. With or without sex, the two of them have the deepest of connections and always will, and to me, that's true Johnlock. *happy sigh*

There were some delicious Johnlock moments in this episode. I could kiss Moffat for writing what he did, not just Sherlock-John interactions but also showing us a more human, more likeable, funnier Sherlock, one who doesn't always come up with answers to every damned thing, seemingly out of the ether. I LIKE this Sherlock way more than any they've shown us up to now, and he and John are just lovely together--  They always were, but now it's....deeper.

The best man speech was totally too long, disjointed, silly and almost stoopid in parts-- like something out of a slapstick vaudeville skit. But at the heart of it, Sherlock's esteeming his friend, using the L word to describe what he felt for him, and then John pushing back his chair and reaching out to hug him, OMG, I cried real tears.

I cried again when Sherlock played the violin while J/M danced.

And when the three of them were discussing the pregnancy, at one point, John reached up and cupped his hand around the back of Sherlock's neck.  It's okay, mate, the three of us will get through this, together....  both of their faces were beautiful pieces of work.

Love, love, love...   it makes the world go 'round, and yes, it comes in all shapes and sizes. Johnlock forever. Done.
 

I could actually imagine John and Mary having an...understanding about Sherlock...that would keep the Johnlock ship from sinking.

There are two canon stories which Holmes (supposedly) wrote himself.

From the first of these, The Blanched Solider, written when "the good Watson had deserted [Holmes] for a wife":

"Speaking of my old friend and biographer, I would take this opportunity to remark that if I burden myself with a companion in my various little inquiries it is not done out of sentiment or caprice, but it is that Watson has some remarkable characteristics of his own to which in his modesty he has given small attention amid his exaggerated estimates of my own performances."

That line was used in the speech, the ending part updated to, "...because of his obsession with me."


But in canon, Holmes actually goes on to say that Watson is useful because he can't predict anything Holmes figures out or does. The speech is considerably more sincerely complimentary of John.

I didn't get the impression that it would be the start of doing a lot of drinking in the future; I got the impression neither of them liked being drunk (which, in Sherlock's case, especially, meant less in control than usual, and it interfered with his crime-solving).

lisa wrote:

Can we address the change in Sherlock? He seems friendlier more humble, which is all explainable, he had so many of his friends come through and help him. I really had to get used to that though, but what is with the ladies man routine. He is having sex now? He was "the virgin" just a few episodes ago. Now don't get me wrong, I loved it, but I didn't expect it. My secret fantasy always was that after he saved Irene Adler  they went off to some exoctic hotel and she "Thanked" him. So now I see that she probably did and taught him a few things. RoWWWWWW! Wish they made that into an episode! LOL!

Under the "Irene's Cameo" thread under the Sign of Three threads, somebody posted that Benedict said this happened! I asked for the source...