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The Final Problem » TFP: Real, EMP or John's TAB? (If there's proof, there's a chance) » January 21, 2017 5:08 pm

besleybean wrote:

I guess I just see the story as complete how it is and it works for me.

that's okay I wasn't hating or anything against the show as it is, I quite love it

The Final Problem » TFP: Real, EMP or John's TAB? (If there's proof, there's a chance) » January 21, 2017 5:07 pm

Liberty,

I think it all gets back to the point that made me write all this and search them all The episode wasn't at all realistic ;) especially it would make more sense if it was in someone's mind, wouldn't it? and especially because the writers had never written Sherlock like that, which is every trope and cliche of classical horror movies since the start, it makes even more sense for this to be some kind surreal world or a trick or something. 
haha I just like making up conspiracies XD

Apple Tree Yard is definitely gonna be an awesome show! I don't think it is fake, but BBC is acting weird over it anyway. Not much information has been put out expect of the trailer and production team. And then is Arwel talking about the wallpaper in Rosie's room? Which also has a big apple tree on it... all the other clues in the wallpaper are already in one or the other episode XD Anyway Arwel is a bit of a prankster so who knows what the heck he means! The ricktrolling was fun as well.

As for TAB I don't know... I watched it at first without knowing a thing about any theory out there and it didn't make a lot of sense... It was when I read tjlc that everything made suddenly quite a looot of sense in this adaptation and since then I've been playing with theories for bbc sherlock. However, I'm a traditional fan of the canon so yeah, I can recognise that Doyle maybe once or twice wanted to hint something else but I'll never say no to a good viewing/reading of the real stories ;) 

The Final Problem » TFP: Real, EMP or John's TAB? (If there's proof, there's a chance) » January 21, 2017 4:51 pm

TheOtherOne wrote:

angel-loving-star wrote:

besleybean wrote:

I definitely think it's all real.
Because if it wasn't...we would still have the problem of Eurus and Redbeard to deal with and I think we're done with these now.

well that's true ;) I was trying to get my head around the writing problems of the episode and if it all was real either they did it on purpose or they have something else in mind so yeah I'm just gonna wait for them to finally talk to social media because this crazy silence is weird

No that's not necessarily true. By now I'm sure we're all in agreement that Sherlock solved the problem of Emilia Ricoletti and The Abominable Bride whilst in his mind palace... and that clearly "wasn't real" in the sense that it didn't happen in the modern day storyline. So what stops him from solving the problems of Eurus and Redbeard in the same way?

Additional materials which completes the storyline of S4 would not necessarily mean negating what has been shown to us already.

 

Completely agree :D

Introductions Please... » Hey there » January 21, 2017 3:58 pm

Liberty wrote:

Welcome, Sofi!  I'm sorry you were discouraged and hurt by S4 - I know some people here were disappointed, particularly by TFP.  But I'm glad you're hopeful and maybe you can find some things to like here - have a look at the Mycroft thread, for instance! 

Certainly <3 I'm loving everything here :D and of course I still love the show wholly <3

The Final Problem » TFP: Real, EMP or John's TAB? (If there's proof, there's a chance) » January 21, 2017 3:54 pm

besleybean wrote:

I definitely think it's all real.
Because if it wasn't...we would still have the problem of Eurus and Redbeard to deal with and I think we're done with these now.

well that's true ;) I was trying to get my head around the writing problems of the episode and if it all was real either they did it on purpose or they have something else in mind so yeah I'm just gonna wait for them to finally talk to social media because this crazy silence is weird

The Final Problem » TFP: Real, EMP or John's TAB? (If there's proof, there's a chance) » January 21, 2017 3:51 pm

Liberty wrote:

Welcome, Angel!  I see a lot of thought has gone into all that!

I won't go into every point (I might come back to it), but I just wanted to say that I think it's extremely unlikely that there's a secret episode.  Moftiss might be happy to write one, but I think the BBC would want people to watch it - so it would be publicised, not secret.  The series has finished and there is a different programme on tomorrow night at that time. 

It definitely looks as if this episode was written as an ending of sorts (although one that could be picked up and continued eventually).  It doesn't seem to be "asking" for another episode straight after.   I know some fans didn't like TFP, but some did - my feeling is that in the possibly last episode, Moftiss did indulge themselves more - insane wish fulfilment!  And not everybody liked that.   There has been similar criticism of Moffat over Doctor Who - excellent at writing, not so good with having free rein at running the show.  Personally, I loved the episode, though!

To get to your point about John being shot - Eurus wants to keep him alive, because Sherlock will save her through trying to save John.   Now, I know you can say that most of what we know about Eurus is in John's imagination!  But then ... what's the point?  We've finished off the story learning about Redbeard (something which John hadn't shown any particular interest in) and Sherlock's past and what made him what he is.  All that would be destroyed if it was just part of John's "dream". 

It also just doesn't feel like John's dream.  Why would he be so interested in Mycroft?  And there's no precedent for John using dreams/mind palace to work something out, in the way we see Sherlock in TAB. 

I'd go for 1. It's all real, and Moftiss love it!

haha thank you for reading all that XD 

about the secret episode: there are all sorts of crazy and unusual things going on highlighted in the second tumblr post I linked so you can go

Introductions Please... » Hey there » January 21, 2017 3:36 pm

ewige wrote:

Hello and welcome, Sofi!
I like your attitude!

haha thank you! 

The Final Problem » Eurus' Song » January 21, 2017 3:17 pm

Love was the context missing all along This is so cool. It is basically almost as if the writers telling us that Love was what was missing not only in Eurus but in all other Sherlock adaptations up to now. Wonder where they are going <3 

no offence intended, I am just thinking out loud XD
I had already seen the explanation of it on tumblr but this is much more concrete and helpful. Thank so much for posting it :D

The Final Problem » TFP: Real, EMP or John's TAB? (If there's proof, there's a chance) » January 21, 2017 3:05 pm

I haven't been long to the forum so I haven't introduced myself of anything but I'd like to give something about that troubling last episode. This is not for criticism and I don't know if it has been addressed already here. I am just happy to be part of this fandom and read all the amazing theories we can come up with. The theories I'm going to list are not written by me (I might have thought about many things to explain to myself what is going on but I'm hardly the person who will sit and investigate and write them) so I'll be giving credits all over to the amazing Johnlock community in Facebook or Tumblr 

However these theories are NOT addressing to TJLC only. They are just trying to find answer for inconsistencies and plot holes generally. So feel free to read and enjoy the crazy adorable readings fans give to our favourite show <3 

Also I am using abbreviations for the episode titles, hope it doesn't get confusing :/

There are mainly three theories going around right now:
1. ALL OF IT IS REAL (which implies Moftiss are not playing with us about anything and they are entirely honest about not having any other footage and seriously believe this season was the best they ever wrote)
2. Extensive Mind Palace theory - EMP (which means parts of the season are in Sherlock's mind at least up to TLD and maybe since HLV)
3. TFP is John's TAB (basically John hallucinating after being shot by Eurus for real)

I am going to mainly concentrate on the third theory because that's what makes more sense to me but I believe the truth lies somewhere in between all those theories if you combine them somehow together because the clues are too many to ignore. However, I am going to be explaining a little something of the other two. Also if someone wants to know everything about all of them here is where I got all my sources: 
http://sherlock-overflow-error.tumblr.com/post/156153037303/the-final-problem-survival-pack
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Introductions Please... » Hey there » January 21, 2017 2:55 pm

um, not sure where to start.
I'm here now because I started being actively active in the fandom although I was a serious fan, since that last episode. I want to participate into this group of amazing people because I saw many people were discouraged and hurt by the last series... I was too, but I want to spread the hope so here I am

you can call me Sofi, I guess <3
I love this fandom and I know how many amazing people are working for it and I have had amazing experiences since I started discussing about everything that troubled me the past few weeks I have received a lot of help and had many ideas, so I'm here to share all I can

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