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The Final Problem » The Final Problem: First impressions » November 13, 2017 4:42 pm

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besleybean wrote:

The show is named Sherlock and he is percentage wise the big hero and everyone's favourite character: he shot an unarmed, innocent man in the face...so I think we all cherry pick our moral high ground!

 
I assume you are referring to Sherlock shooting Magnussen.   "Unsrmed, *innocent* man" my big toe.

The Final Problem » The Final Problem: First impressions » May 22, 2017 11:33 am

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Sorry, not impressed.  It had some good emotional punch in many places; these actors are good at that.  But. . . 

As others have said, I can't imagine institutionalizing a five-year-old in the 1970's or later (?) and never again referring to her existence.  I can't imagine having three children, one of whom kills or at least does something to lead to the death of another's best friend, and not putting the whole family into serious counseling from the beginning.  I can't imagine having a missing child on your property and not thinking to search an open well.  I can't imagine taking someone who is deprived of the most basic human contact, including touch, because you are afraid of her influence over people, and giving that person access to the internet, through which she could easily influence others long-distance (a possibility that is never mentioned, which seems strange to me in this day of internet recruiting of terrorists).  But mostly, I cannot believe that a woman who had spent her entire life in mental institutions with "minimal human contact" could for an instant pull off her acting jobs as Faith, E, and the psychiatrist.  Look at her as she is portrayed in this episode;  she may be able to be persuasive and to mentally "take over" someone who spent a lot of time with her one-on-one, but no one, ever, would mistake her for a normal human being.

 

Character Analysis » What password would John use? » October 23, 2016 3:59 am

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I like the idea of having John use the motto of his unit as a password.

Character Analysis » Sherlock's clueless return » October 23, 2016 3:53 am

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In ASIP, when Sherlock figures out who the shooter was, he asks John, "Are you OK? . . . You did just kill a man."  John seems slightly taken aback, and says, "Yes, I did, didn't I?  But he wasn't a very nice man."  I think John is "acclimatized to violence," and Sherlock, despite all his contact with already-dead corpses, isn't.
 

Character Analysis » Sherlock's relationship with Mycroft » October 20, 2016 11:08 am

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Ah, but he is a government official.  At least he says, "I hold a minor position in the British government."
 

Character Analysis » Sherlock's relationship with Mycroft » October 20, 2016 11:07 am

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Yeah, it's an action show.  I wouldn't have complained about the scene at all except for that, but I thought that was over the top.  On the other hand, we got the really good line about John's hand tremor, so OK--but I also think it makes clear that Mycroft is not necessarily trustworthy.

Character Analysis » Sherlock's relationship with Mycroft » October 20, 2016 11:01 am

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Raiding a psychiatrist's office was what got President Nixon impeached (eventually).

Character Analysis » Sherlock's relationship with Mycroft » October 20, 2016 10:53 am

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Again, I am very late to the party here and I'm sure I am rehashing old ground, so ignore me unless I say something interesting.

Mycroft is set up in the first episode as a possible villain, and then revealed as the protective big brother at the end.  He is treated as more and more of a "good guy" throughout the series, although his protection of CAM (and sending Sherlock to his death rather than putting him on trial for murder) is a striking example of when he's not.  Mycroft, who "*is* the British government, when he isn't busy being the British Intelligence Service or the CIA on a freelance basis," comes across as pretty scary.  He shows John his control over surveillance cameras, abducts John off the street, and tries to bribe him to spy on Sherlock, while *quoting John's therapist's notes.*  John is not a criminal.  He has done absolutely nothing to justify this level of surveillance.  

So Mycroft, using his power in the British government, has already gotten copies of John's therapist's notes--within 48 hours--apparently without her knowledge, as John never confronts her on it and she never mentions it as far as we know.  That right there should have landed Mycroft in jail for a very, very long time.  Talk about abuse of power and lack of respect for privacy.  I don't think I have many illusions about the good behavior of governments, and I know the British put up with far more surveillance than Americans would (when we know about it), but really?  This kind of attitude of "I'm the good guy, so anything I do is OK" is one very good reason for Sherlock to dislike his brother, aside from a difficult childhood.  No, they are not always "on the same side," and that's fine with me.

Character Analysis » Mary – the subject of discussion » October 19, 2016 12:14 pm

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She shoots Sherlock, knowing he might die but trying not to kill him, because she's desperate and can't think what else to do.  As Sherlock says, she was "hoping to buy time to negotiate my silence."  

Quoting myself here.  After re-watching that scene multiple times, I've changed my mind.  I still think Mary is basically a good guy, mostly, and perhaps she wanted CAM to see her shoot Sherlock to blow his mind a bit. . . . but she is definitely not desperate.  Calm, cool, and collected, in fact, until after she's actually pulled the trigger, and then still very much in control.  She doesn't lose her cool until she knows John knows her secret, and by the time they get back to Baker Street, she is in control of herself again.

I really don't mean to start this discussion up again.  Just correcting my earlier impression.

His Last Vow » About that chair » October 17, 2016 3:45 pm

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So Sherlock did return to the flat from the hospital, without Mrs. Hudson noticing.  Not that hard, I guess; it's not like she never leaves.  And if Billy was with him, Billy could have moved the chair for him.  Sherlock never moved it himself; he has a hard enough time bending down to pick up a coin.

A Study In Pink » Mistakes - anyone notice any? » October 15, 2016 5:07 pm

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One other blooper.  Did anyone else notice that during the taxi ride and "the police don't use amateurs" discussion, John and Sherlock magically change seats and then change back?

The Empty Hearse » Violence at the reunion » October 15, 2016 2:33 pm

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Also, we know that John is quite capable of doing real damage.  He didn't.  Or at least he was not aware of the possibility, not knowing that Sherlock had recently been beaten to a pulp.  He made his frustration clear in an extreme situation, and I do think it's at least partly something guys do, or at least something guys on film do.  Sherlock kept saying exactly the wrong thing.  I don't think he was doing it on purpose; I think Mary is right:  "Gosh, you really don't understand human nature, do you?"  John wanted to cause at least a little pain both in return for the pain he'd suffered and in an effort to get through to Sherlock, who continues clueless.  Only when he admits his parents knew as well does he really pull off an actual "sorry" rather than an automatic one.

The Empty Hearse » Violence at the reunion » October 15, 2016 2:03 pm

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Liberty wrote:

Actually, I'm not sure if it's Sherlock saying John might have let something slip that sets John off.  It seems to be when Sherlock says that he's missed the excitement (maybe hitting a nerve - John is clearly bored at work). 

I thought it was not so much "You've missed this" as "Just the two of us against the rest of the world," which is what John had thought they were until finding that he had been left out of this most important secret, while others were told.

Character Analysis » Mary – the subject of discussion » October 15, 2016 1:24 pm

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Yeah, sorry, I didn't wade through all 241 pages before jumping in.  That's probably enough, though.  
 

Character Analysis » Mary – the subject of discussion » October 15, 2016 1:18 pm

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Sorry.  I'll shut up now.  You have all been talking about this for years, and I'm new, so I'm sure I am rehashing old ground.  Still can't wait for Season Four.

Character Analysis » Mary – the subject of discussion » October 15, 2016 1:14 pm

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besleybean wrote:

I think if she'd meant to kill him, she'd have a put a bullet through his brain.

Yes, exactly, and she's counting on his realizing that, and at least being curious enough to keep quiet til he can hear her out.  She's not sure about this, which is why she starts their encounter with, "What do you want, Sherlock?" and brings her gun, ready to shoot him again if necessary.  This is where I see Mary at her coldest and most dangerous, and she's scary.  She's also on the edge of despair, and I don't quite believe her.  While she says to Sherlock, "Please.  Understand.  There is nothing in this world I would not do to stop that happening," clearly there is, because she didn't kill him in the first place, which would have been by far the easiest way to keep her secret.

Character Analysis » Mary – the subject of discussion » October 15, 2016 12:46 pm

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Hmmm.  Thinking again.  Mary and Sherlock are already good friends before the shooting.  Maybe she hopes that Sherlock, being Sherlock, might understand her well enough to forgive her, himself, or at least to keep his mouth shut long enough for her to explain, when he wakes up in the hospital and finds her still around?  If she had been trying to kill him, surely she would have left, and she's hoping he would realize that.

Character Analysis » Mary – the subject of discussion » October 15, 2016 12:33 pm

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Just wondering a bit how much the level of dislike for Mary in this group has to do with the number of people who really want John and Sherlock to be a couple.  Jealousy, maybe?

To be clear, I would have no problem with their being a couple, especially in this updated version.  I would think it would be quite possible that they might have been a very closeted couple in Victorian times.  Well, I would have a problem with it because of Sherlock's character--I still don't think he's capable of that kind of relationship--but I'm not shocked by the idea.  I'm just letting the characters speak for themselves, and John at least is quite clear about it, repeatedly.

I loved the discussion in the special about how to bring Mary in.  They needed something new; she's in the canon; but they didn't want to "do the usual misogynistic thing about the ball and chain," or have her "be a drag," or "spoil the boys' fun."  "She's not the little woman, she's right in there with them."  YES.  Thank you, writers!

His Last Vow » About that chair » October 15, 2016 7:28 am

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Makes me wonder if John had some kind of niggling suspicion somewhere in the very back of his brain already, that he would think, "Why does Sherlock think I'm moving back in?" rather than just, "Oh, good, he put my chair back."  And the combination of chair and cologne definitely set him thinking.  I don't really think Mrs. Hudson is complicit either, but it's hard to imagine how she couldn't be.  I'm going to assume Sherlock had help from Billy Wiggins, now that I think about it, as we know he is involved in the evening.  Maybe he met Sherlock outside the hospital with a wheelchair and took him to Leinster Gardens, picking up cologne on the way.  That part's not too hard.  It's just the chair.

Character Analysis » Mary – the subject of discussion » October 15, 2016 2:12 am

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Mary's motivation was simple survival.  She never set out to lie to John specifically; she had created a new identity several years before she met him, and was trying to leave her old life behind.  I just re-watched the wedding reception and saw Sherlock read a telegram from "Cam," who says, "Wish your family could have seen this," and Mary gets upset.  So no, CAM was not at the wedding, but he did send a telegram letting her know he knew her secret.  

Wow.  Just thought of this:  Mary has just gotten this message from CAM when she hears there's a murderer at her wedding.  She does not "stay here."  She jumps in to help.  I wonder if she were assuming the murder had something to do with CAM.  That is pure speculation on my part, of course.

She went to his office to kill him, was interrupted by Sherlock, and from there I follow his deductions.  She actually does apologize for shooting him, as she's doing it (!!).  She didn't want John to know, because she didn't want to lose him.  She loves him.  Her name and identity are a lie, but her relationship with John (and Sherlock) is true.  She shoots Sherlock, knowing he might die but trying not to kill him, because she's desperate and can't think what else to do.  As Sherlock says, she was "hoping to buy time to negotiate my silence."  John forgives her, eventually, because he knows her well enough to know *who* she is, even though he doesn't know *what* she is (or was).  He decides Sherlock is right and he can trust her.  He figures her past can be irrelevant to their future, if she still wants a future with him--which she does.

I am supported in my opinion of Mary by the special episode, "Sherlock Uncovered: The Women."  There's a lot they leave out, but they make it clear that Mary truly loves John and has become good friends with Sherlock as well.  They make it clear that they are excited to have her as part of the group, and I hope she stays that way.

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