besleybean wrote:

But you know, I've always said John should really have reacted as Greg did.

That would have been ideal.
 

I think the on screen doctoring we do see in Sherlock is limited by the creator's actual knowledge of science, anatomy, medical stuff. They just throw stuff in occasionally to remind us that he's a doctor, but the fact that he is a doctor isn't an integral part of the story, unless it absolutely needs to be. This series is, and always has been, more about the characters' relationships with one another than anything else, and that allows for a lot of creative license.

A lot of the choices they made for John in S4 and the direction they took him in, which really started in S3 E1 with John's reaction to Sherlock's faked death, have definitely shocked me and surprised me. It's not the John Watson we know from canon who fainted when Sherlock revealed that he was alive, but then, this isn't the canon and this isn't that era. This is modern era Sherlock Holmes where people respond and react differently, and this John Watson is just one interpretation of the character. Whether you agree with the direction they've taken him in or not, it's certainly made for some interesting discussion.

To some extent I can understand his anger and frustration at Sherlock. I get that he was pissed at him for faking his death. He appeared to get over that by the end of S3 although I suspect there's still some bitterness lingering that may resurface occasionally into banter. I get that he was pissed at him over Mary, and that he blamed him. That was his immediate reaction, even if it was the wrong one, but I did feel it was slightly over dramatic and dragged on for a little too long. Because it really wasn't Sherlock's fault that she made that decision. She CHOSE to jump in front of that bullet, and they wouldn't have all been there in the first place if it wasn't for Mary's shitty past and the fact that Sherlock was trying to help her. So yeah, I can understand John's initial anger but I felt it was misplaced for it to go on for so long, and the way he beat him up in TLD was pretty difficul

I broke down crying in the last 30 seconds and then sobbed all through the credits.

It seemed really such a perfect, neat ending, and like we've come full circle from ASIP and it felt very FINAL.

I think it was written to shock. They know that none of us are going to feel comfortable watching John beat the shit out of Sherlock, two men who are supposed to be best friends and care for each other deeply. They know that it makes for uncomfortable, distressing viewing.

But whether we agree with it or not, I'm afraid we are expected to get over it and move on. I doubt it will ever be mentioned or referenced again. The series moves too quickly and has bigger things to deal with than that.

Having said that, I found the violence pretty shocking and painful, and not really very understandable. I still don't understand why John is SO angry at Sherlock. I don't get why it's taken him so long to admit that Sherlock was not to blame for Mary's death, and like someone said earlier in this thread, he's basically behaved like an asshole this entire series. I don't really like him as a character at the moment, and have little sympathy for him.

ewige wrote:

There was no note in the board room, Eurus has made it up, it was just her story for Sherlock (altho not entirely imagined). She also took a cane like the real daughter of CS.

My headscratcher:
I thought at first that the problems with CCTV (they couldn't tell whether there was somebody with Sherlock or not) were to keep us in suspense about the note, about CS being the killer in Sherlock's mind only.
But now, think of it. Mycroft was watching while his sister had a stroll with his brother. Did the sister manage to interfere with the CCTV feed? She must be good. Like, Moriarty level.

YES!

When Mycroft was trailing him on CCTV it looked like he was on his own. And I guessed/thought that he was inventing the whole thing because he was high, so it wasn't any kind of surprise to me when the real CS daughter turned up and didn't recognise him at all. I guessed that she was imaginary from the moment he turns round and she's not there when they're standing at the Southbank.

Except....she WAS there!

He DID spend the entire night with someone (his own sister!). So, how did she manage to make it seem like she wasn't there?

Did Mycroft know Sherlock was with her and then cover it up? And if he did that, then why?

Or did she manage to somehow delete her own involvement from the CCTV cameras?
 

Liberty wrote:

My headscratcher.  I'm a bit puzzled about Culverton's real daughter, who walked with a cane, but also wore high heels - very unusual.  Was that ever explained?

It wouldn't surprise me if he had hurt her when they were kids somehow, which is why she walks with a cane, but probably we will never know for sure.

Like all serial killers, CS had a weakness. He was arrogant and loved to think that he was playing Sherlock. And at one point in the morgue, I had flashbacks to HLV, where Sherlock realises he's got everything wrong and f*cked things up. Except in the end, he hadn't.

I think she murdered Redbeard. Psychopaths often display early signs by harming animals.

Sherlock's Curl wrote:

I want to see more Sherrinford.

Ha, I'm sure we will!

YES THE HUG