Hi everyone - long time since I've last been on here. But, after 5 years, I rewatched the series, out of the blue, because I suddenly got the feeling that it was time now (no idea why it needed 5+ years to come to this point, but it did).
And I'm glad the forum is still around!  I started reading through old discussions and certainly - so much thought and time (and emotion) has gone into them, it would be a shame to loose such ressource. Thank you for keeping it up and online so far <3


 

I miss kornmuhme. Still online, put not posting? Miss discussing with you.
You still out there somewhere? :-)
 

People shouting on the bus just because the driver didn't open the door fast enough. Why can't they be nice to each other?

I do hate depression. I really really really do!!! I'm exhausted, and sick of feeling this way. Sick of fighting all the time. How do people do this I am also so sick of people not realising what it means. I would gladly trade a leg if I would never have to feel this way again. I feel like I want to curl up in a corner with other people who are such affected, just because they actually get it. Another friend saying "oh, I also don't feel sooo well today" and I will smash things
 

I found CAM to be the worst. He had a coldness about him that I couldn't see in the others.
 

I wonder about Moriarty. So his intention was to get Sherlock killed, and himself as well, or that's what I thought in TRF.

I used to think the final problem was very close connected to "staying alive". To the way Moriarty was so bored, brilliant minded but bored.

If he intended to kill both of them, why put up a riddle. If he didn't intend to kill both of them, why bother about that dramatic set-up on the roof. Except from Sherlock jumping, there was no gain, was there. It was about Sherlock dying, and if it wasn't, why would he shoot himself? He seems to be the kind of man who would want to see the pay-off. What if Eurus never got out of that cell. What if she changed her mind - she isn't a reliable person to carry out some plan from years ago. Moriarty would have been dead and nothing would have happened to Sherlock. What kind of plan is that?

And Eurus... I don't understand her need for cruelty on Sherlock. I understand her desire to kill off John or Mycroft, because she wants Sherlock for herself. But why agree with Moriarty to set up such a game for Sherlock? When all she wants to have is his friendship, compassion, attention, whatever?
Of course, to her mind, probably complicated is the new easy. I would never expect her to create a very easy scenario. But what does she know about Moriarty and Sherlock? Who would inform her about them? Apparently only Mycroft was in touch, and the only hint we get is how he exchanges information with Moriarty that one time. Would he have told Moriarty about Eurus? Too dangerous, if he wanted to protect Sherlock - Moriarty would have certainly used the information on Sherlock. Moriarty doesn't strike me to be a type to keep secrets that hold potentional to hurt s.o.

So, no, for me it's all loose ends, and no conclusion. I agree with everyone who said they only worked towards this from a very late point onwards.

Which makes me wonder - when exactly where the scripts written? We know filming dates, but do we know when the s

I'm trying to rewatch, because some people mentioned scenes I apparently missed. Some scenes where nicer than expected the second time. But overall... still not really fond.
 

Liberty wrote:

I think she was in ASIB - came to Sherlock with a case of a missing body which turned out to be part of the Bond/Coventry plot, with the plane full of dead people.  I think that's why Sherlock imagined that particular little girl. 
 

Wow, that's cool.

Thanks for your kind answers
The "feeling bad" is mainly for the point that Swanpride makes: I assume the writers did their very best. And if somebody does their very best, I feel sorry if I don't like it. But I agree with you, Swanpride, that sometimes less is more indeed. But they pulled it off in HLV, which also felt big and dark, but it kept the balance. If I expected anyone to pull it off again, it would be them. For me, they never needed to "up the stakes". They had me from the very first episode. They could have made more and more of that. I wouldn't have run anywhere.

I wonder. I keep wondering. It was the fans who connected to this show, who loved it to such bits and pieces that the writers and actors where overwhelmed. I wonder what a show it would have been if we as fans hadn't been what we have been. I mean, the great thing about this show was not only the series itself, but the fandom. Maybe the simple reason they didn't want to "take back a little" was us.

I agree that Sherlock and John solving cases is the natural set-up that will always work best. But, I have to admit, Mycroft is such a great character, that I really don't mind any screen time he gets. Same for Molly, Mrs. Hudson and all the others. It is hard to please everyone. I hope the writers also see that the episode gets a lot of love from some.

I wonder, is there an objective way to judge this show?

 

Ha! I knew I was missing something. I haven't seen any of these films, sadly. Oh, wait, yes, I saw The Ring! Not my genre, but had I known them, would have laughed at the parallels.
This is cool. (doesn't make me like the episode much more, but it's... funny)
 

This is just me trying to understand why I didn't enjoy this episode as much as I hoped. I'm posting here, because I think it might offend some as "negativity" (which, in my case, is just sadness and disappointment).

I keep thinking maybe the episode works better in a cinema. It wasn't quite TV format, for me.

I didn't like the "feeling" of the episode, the atmosphere, so to say. It felt strange to me. I was for a very long time convinced that the whole thing is just a dream. I was surprised when it never stopped.

I cannot wrap my head around the drama, isolated island, superpower sister, trap-house. It's surreal, to me. I had difficulties to see the characters. In my maybe naive world, Sherlock Holmes was a man living in a flat in London, solving crimes. Sometimes big crimes, sometimes he needed to be a fighter. But I never got this Bond-feeling from the stories.

I was amazed about the reveal in TLD, I really liked that. I thought it was a clever way to introduce a sister. But then... I don't know. I expected something else. So maybe it was just my expectations that let me down. I wouldn't have minded her being locked away, her being unstable, any of that. But her having such powers, effectively ruling in a house on her own island? Very over the top for me.

Also, I didn't fancy seeing Moriarty again.

Also, for a season finale, I missed so many characters. I would have loved to see more of Molly. Or Mrs. Hudson. Or Lestrade.

And also, I missed 221b. I never missed it in Hounds of Baskerville, because that still felt like a trip to the countryside and back. But this, this wasn't a case. It really wasn't, for me. And I am not sure I want Sherlock without a case. It was more like a family-resolve.
Actually, I can say that, as a special, I would have liked this. As a stand-alone. An extra. It would still be over the top, but I wouldn't have minded so much. But there was so much still to resolve, plot-wise. And it got all thrown in on top of this escape game, and