Oh yeah, I forgot that Mycroft was one of the founders. I'd love to be part of a club like that, it'd be hilarious.

Went to the Liberal Club recently for a Sherlock Holmes Society meeting, wow, that's a nice place.

The shared cigarette scene outside the mortuary in Scandal sheds some light on the fact that both Sherlock and Mycroft are alike in how they view and employ emotion. Yet there seems to be some emotional undercurrent to whatever issue or issues estrange them. I'd sure like to know more about what that is. It can't just be Sherlock's bohemian counterculture ways agitating Mycroft's prim and proper upper crust sensibilities. There must be something deeper. Hopefully we will get a chance to see it

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I think for the most part we can take it that the characters have been taken from the canon & expanded upon. That being the case, and from Mycroft's attitude in the club he is in fact a co-founder of the club.

I don't really think his membership of the club shows him to be a loner. His job with the Government demands a lot of contact with people this is one of the many contrasts he has with Sherlock's characters that stands out & adds to the 'conflict' they have.
I think his involvement with the club & its patrons shows how he appears to be a manipulative force within the Government actually.

I think that the Club is probably one that dates back the Victorian Era, or at least mid-20th century, because there was something in 1972 that no one wants a repeat of.

I'm still wondering what happened in 1972. While we're on the Diogenes Club, speculations anyone?

Of course, because I'm not in the loop with recent British history, that could be something else entirely that happened in England that year. Is there something that I'm missing?

(Edit: Is he talking about the events that year involving Ireland?)

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Even if the club was founded the year of whatever happened, in 1972, Mycroft would have been a toddler, and therefore not a founder.

Irene Adler wrote:

He always carries an umbrella, no matter it's a sunny day (misterious umbrella, isn't it?)

Maybe it doubles as a gun?

Ah ETA ignore this. Anthea also wears a ring on the right hand. Interesting. Do the masons not wear a ring on their right hand?

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He wears a ring on his right hand

In Britain this mainly indicates a same sex marriage

But it can, I believe, indicate widower status.

Either are possible, I guess (though I think its obvious which the show hints at). What I find interesting is that a. he has or has had a significant relationship b. he wishes to be open about this and c. if it is a same sex relationship it is highly unlikely, even in uber-tolerant Sherlock alternative reality world, to be one of conveniance. 

In Britain men do not always even wear wedding rings. He could certainly be married without wearing a ring, so the only reason to wear it is a. either that he sees it as politically helpful or b. that he cares enough to take the hit.

All this falls away if he is widowed, I guess, or if he's using widowerhood as the pretext for the ring. But, yk, on seeing a ring on the right hand I think most in the know Brits would assume a same sex marriage.

So this says to me that there is someone he cares about as well as Sherlock. Given this its interesting that we never see this person, that they are never referenced. Every single character that meets him must wonder and wonder how this intergrates with him as the "Ice Queen". 

And given this, why do Irene and Moriaty use Sherlock to get to Mycroft? Not whoever this person is he wears a ring for?

(I've read that it was actually a production mistake-that the ring was left on by accident. But note he's still wearing it in later scenes, and still on the right hand. I've just run a check on google images and he's wearing it whenever we see his right hand, so my guess is that they decided to run with it and I want to see where they are going. Aside from anything, the idea that the man who "is the British government" is married to another man is a really splendid coup for tolerance. I think.)

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Mycroft has a cold exterior (irene/moriarty called him the ice man). However it seems that only sherlock can melt the ice, he only shouts at sherlock and he has never lost his temper with anyone else. This seems to me that mycroft has constantly become irritated by his 'stupid' younger brother when he was younger, and as sherlock grew older he became more irritated.  Mycroft has also because he is older developed more control over his emotions but it seems not for his younger brother, who even though he doesn't show it he loves him deep down. "Caring is not an advantage sherlock"

There is a scene in Series 3 which I really can't remember anything about it, Mycroft was making a phone call, to Sherlock I think (no not the one where he is in running tights).
He was dressed so casually, I mean, he was a lot more undressed than we've ever seen him before. No suit in sight, just a crisp white shirt and a tie, messy hair. Where was he? Was he at someone's home? In his own home? We've never seen him this way. He is really casual.
This scene made me ask some questions.