BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / All the "gay" references to John

**Posted by Harriet** October 6, 2012 11:43 am

My mistake, thanks for your post, only the first line was directed to you

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**Posted by Mattlocked** October 6, 2012 11:44 am

Harriet:

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**Posted by besleybean** October 6, 2012 6:40 pm

Ok, I shall expand.
1. I differentiate between personal fantasies, fan fictions(art and vids too), TV shows and real life.
2. Mark and Steven have written a running joke through Sherlock: that people think Sherlock and John are gay. We all know they are not and THEREIN lies the comedy, we all find it hilarious and laugh at the characters who make this error.
3. Steven and Mark have said they have no problem with people's fantasies. However, they write the series as the boys being friends, this is what they said.

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**Posted by Davina** October 6, 2012 7:32 pm

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
I agree wholeheartedly.

**Posted by Harriet** October 6, 2012 7:37 pm

I made my point clear already, pls. think of another expression than We All, thank you

**Posted by besleybean** October 6, 2012 7:41 pm

But that's the whole point of TV drama, we get to see everything, that the characters don't. We can look smart and the characters can looks stupid. It's called good writing.

**Posted by QuiteExtraordinary** October 6, 2012 7:53 pm

... and the characters also get to see things that we don't.

**Posted by besleybean** October 6, 2012 8:04 pm

In what way?
Oh, you mean like they know the cliff hanger resolutions etc?

**Posted by QuiteExtraordinary** October 6, 2012 8:13 pm

I meant, that's also part of the writing. The camera doesn't follow every character everywhere all the time, some solutions are given later or even never. So it's not only the other way around.

**Posted by besleybean** October 6, 2012 8:18 pm

Yes, but...

**Posted by Mattlocked** October 6, 2012 9:35 pm

QuiteExtraordinary wrote:
I meant, that's also part of the writing. The camera doesn't follow every character everywhere all the time, some solutions are given later or even never. So it's not only the other way around.

VERY good point! And this gives us room to think and discuss it all over... FUN!

**Posted by besleybean** October 6, 2012 9:40 pm

Yes but we ALL hear the ' gay' references. But only we know it's not true. Well other than when people like Mycroft are teasing.

**Posted by Davina** October 7, 2012 7:26 am

In a way the running joke of the gay references has shown exactly how easily the public can be manipulated in their opinions. In Sherlock, John is outraged by the newspapers' innuendos because he knows that some people, a lot of people, will pick up on that and run with it in the way the journalists want. Ironically, that is exactly what has happened with the innuendos and jokes in the series, in real life. (Making a clear distinction between the two here). Can you see the immediate and clear parallels?

**Posted by besleybean** October 7, 2012 7:31 am

Me? Heck yeah.
Which is just why I find it hugely ironic that Sherlock fans still persist in thinking out boys may either be in or are going to be in a relationship. That ship will not sail in BBC Sherlock, by all means keep it afloat in the fan art/fic/vids.

**Posted by Mattlocked** October 7, 2012 8:21 am

I'm not sure if they really believe it. I think they want to believe because they like the idea. I don't and I was really irritated when I noticed that fanfic the first time. Meanwhile I'm kinda "used to it" and think it's funny - up to a certain point.

**Posted by besleybean** October 7, 2012 9:22 am

I used to vehemently attack slash.
But as the boys seem to be ok with it, I accept it's place now, tho prefer not to read it.
Some of the artwork is stunning(and amusing), but as long as we keep it separate from BBC Sherlock.
I tend not to watch fan vids, either.
But in my fantasies...

**Posted by Mattlocked** October 7, 2012 9:34 am

I agree.
A lot of things in the web are quite weird and I understand when esp. the actors (concerned directly) go "OMG!" when they see it. Must be a real strange feeling for them when already I am kind of shocked sometimes.
I like some of the fanvids though - some scenes cut together and some nice music.... It's kind of "Oh yes, that was nice in the show!" for me. Kind of new trailers from time to time.
Have to be careful anyway not to stumble upon the "wrong" ones.....

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**Posted by Harriet** October 7, 2012 6:47 pm

I avoid fan videos when they have their own plot, BBC scenes don't go for me together with other storylines.
I need things a little separated, one box for this, one box for that ...

And I got to get used to the idea of slash also, not so long ago, actually.
I was surprised to find how enchanting some stuff can actually be, tender and sweet.

**Posted by besleybean** October 7, 2012 6:50 pm

Oh some of it is beautiful, but it doesn't seem right to see our boys like that.
I mean, other than in our heads.
But yes, I applaud talent.

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**Posted by Harriet** October 7, 2012 7:08 pm

What does see out exactly mean? My dict doesn't tell me