sherlock series 4 (spoilers inside)

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Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady
December 28, 2016 3:49 pm
#1941

I'd say lipstick on the pipe too... but it's hard to tell!

Very interesting! 


I missed quite a bit while I slept in, I see! 


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Posted by Vhanja
December 28, 2016 4:06 pm
#1942

Love Martin! 



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Posted by Schmiezi
December 28, 2016 4:10 pm
#1943

That's great! :-D


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Posted by ewige
December 28, 2016 4:10 pm
#1944

Very sweet


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Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady
December 28, 2016 4:14 pm
#1945

Clever smart-arse as ever! 


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Posted by ewige
December 28, 2016 4:16 pm
#1946

There is apparently a spoilery USA Today article out there. "Calamity strikes" or something.


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Posted by Lis
December 28, 2016 4:25 pm
#1947

Ah that's true ewige, I wonder whose lipstick it is.

The building looks a little singed, maybe it's the big burning house from the trailer.

Phantom, yeah you can't sleep nowadays who knows what you'll miss!


                                                                                                                      

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Posted by Schmiezi
December 28, 2016 4:28 pm
#1948

ewige wrote:

There is apparently a spoilery USA Today article out there. "Calamity strikes" or something.

I'be read it, and being a spoiler whole I don't think it is too bad. ;-) No plot details, at least.


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Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady
December 28, 2016 4:28 pm
#1949

Mary nor Molly wears bright red lipstick, do they? They usually go for a more toned down shade? 


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Posted by ewige
December 28, 2016 5:08 pm
#1950

I immediately thought Irene to be honest. But who knows, maybe Sherlock's branching out...


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Posted by SusiGo
December 28, 2016 5:11 pm
#1951

It seems the Chinese promo pics have not been created by the BBC. On Twitter Mark at least pretended not to know anything about them. Which does not mean that they do not contain some truth if we assume that they have been made a broadcaster who have seen the episodes.
It is fascinating how official BBC promo, official promo abroad, leaked trailers, etc. seem to blend together until nobody knows what is true anymore. Bit like the show itself, isn't it?


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Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady
December 28, 2016 5:12 pm
#1952

I did think Irene too... but why? Maybe it's the Lady in Red... who knows. 


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Posted by Liberty
December 28, 2016 5:17 pm
#1953

Yes, it could be Mycroft's house - his is rather grand and seems to be on fire in the trailer. 

I'm not sure what the lipstick could mean - kind of odd because Sherlock doesn't actually smoke a pipe, but it's still one of his symbols outside of the show ... Does it mean there will be a female detective, temporarily?  Mary?  Yes, the red lipstick reminds me of Irene, but also of Molly in ASIB.  Mrs Hudson not so much. Of course, it could be Uncle Rudy!  There seems to be a female (police) detective actually cast, but I don't remember her having red lipstick in the publicity picture.

If it's blood, I don't know - my first thought with the pipe-smoking and blood was TB (coughing up blood), which made me think of the dying detective.  But it seems kind of morbid to have it on the pipe like that - although any blood from the mouth seems strange.  I'm going to go with lipstick, I think.

 
Posted by nakahara
December 28, 2016 5:17 pm
#1954


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Posted by Liberty
December 28, 2016 5:23 pm
#1955

Oh, I read the USA Today article, and it's mostly stuff we already knew, except this maybe points strongly in a particular direction - I'm actually going to put in spoiler tags in case it's too much!

  Watson is also in for a change, from the show’s “stable, reliable, solid rock” to a man dealing with temptation and guilt, Freeman says. “It’s good to have that moral compass go off pole a little bit.”

I think this, combined with "Cheating" IIRC on the soundtrack, seems to indicate the source of the Watsons' marital discord. 

And then, not really a spoiler, but:So should fans wonder about Sherlock’s fate?“Everyone should worry, shouldn’t they?” Gatiss says with a laugh. “I think we should all be worried.”

 
Posted by mrshouse
December 28, 2016 5:25 pm
#1956

nakahara wrote:

 
Oh my.....neck and stretched button alert....


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Posted by mrshouse
December 28, 2016 5:26 pm
#1957

I like how you think, Liberty


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Eventually everyone will support Johnlock.


"If you're not reading the subtext then hell mend you"  -  Steven Moffat
"Love conquers all" Benedict Cumberbatch on Sherlock's and John's relationship
"This is a show about a detective, his best friend, his wife, their baby and their dog" - Nobody. Ever.

 
Posted by SusiGo
December 28, 2016 5:28 pm
#1958

Spoilery speculation: 

This is indeed very interesting. And I really wonder who the person in question will be ... because there will be a rift between him and Sherlock. And John will feel guilty. I do not really see him breaking up with Sherlock over an affair with a random woman. If, however, he gave in to temptation with Sherlock and something happened to the child or Mary did something bad in the meantime … well.

 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 
Posted by Schmiezi
December 28, 2016 5:32 pm
#1959

SusiGo wrote:

Spoilery speculation: 

This is indeed very interesting. And I really wonder who the person in question will be ... because there will be a rift between him and Sherlock. And John will feel guilty. I do not really see him breaking up with Sherlock over an affair with a random woman. If, however, he gave in to temptation with Sherlock and something happened to the child or Mary did something bad in the meantime … well.

 

I like to think that

John betrays Mary (and Sherlock) with Victor Trevor

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Posted by Liberty
December 28, 2016 5:40 pm
#1960

Why not LeStrade? Why does he never get a look-in on the romance front? 

I don't think it will be Sherlock, but I'll keep an open mind - I have to admit I'm clutching at straws for anyone else.   Molly is probably still besotted with Sherlock, so it's unlikely to be her.   I'm not aware of a new character in TST apart from the new police detective.   We'll see!

The more I think about lipstick on the pipe, the more it seems to be very strong, and surprisingly specific, sexual symbolism.  Is it just me?  (Oh, and I forgot about the Lady in Red, Phantom!  Maybe she's another possibility).

 


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