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**Posted by ukaunz** November 30, 2016 9:31 pm

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** November 30, 2016 9:59 pm

I wish I was better at 'Emoji-speak' now, xD.

But something tells me there's some trolling there

**Posted by JP** November 30, 2016 10:04 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8AeATnIKu4

**Posted by SusiGo** November 30, 2016 10:32 pm

Some information on T6T:

A statement said: “Sherlock waits to see where Moriarty will make his posthumous move. One mysterious case in particular baffles Scotland Yard – but Sherlock is more interested in a seemingly trivial detail. Why is someone destroying images of the late Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher? Is there a madman on the loose? Or is there a much darker purpose at work? Something with its roots deep in Mary Watson’s past…”

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-11-30/a-flood-comes-to-baker-street-as-new-details-of-the-sherlock-series-4-opening-episode-are-revealed

**Posted by ewige** November 30, 2016 10:34 pm

SusiGo wrote:
Some information on T6T:

A statement said: “Sherlock waits to see where Moriarty will make his posthumous move. One mysterious case in particular baffles Scotland Yard – but Sherlock is more interested in a seemingly trivial detail. Why is someone destroying images of the late Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher? Is there a madman on the loose? Or is there a much darker purpose at work? Something with its roots deep in Mary Watson’s past…”

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-11-30/a-flood-comes-to-baker-street-as-new-details-of-the-sherlock-series-4-opening-episode-are-revealed

Wow, that's more than anything we've got thus far on the new season!

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** November 30, 2016 10:36 pm

* gasps *

That's actually a lot of info at once!

**Posted by ukaunz** November 30, 2016 11:03 pm

The teasing glimpse of the plot has now been released by the BBC, along with a new image of the show which will raise more questions than it answers.

The photograph, starring Sherlock and Watson, sees water rising around their ankles and a series of strange items floating around them.

They include a music score entitled “Miss Me?”, a copy of Shakespeare’s Henry V, a teacup, a sequinned Persian-style shoe, a yellow face drawn on the mirror, and a violin.

A model RNLI lifeboat is also perched on the shelf, indicating something of a water theme.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/30/revenge-lefties-bbcs-sherlock-special-probe-vandalism-margaret/

Obviously the yellow face is reflected in the mirror. But a music score entitled “Miss Me?”, a copy of Shakespeare’s Henry V, and a model lifeboat? I can't see that much detail on my screen! Can anyone else verify these clues?

Last edited by ukaunz (November 30, 2016 11:10 pm)

**Posted by ukaunz** November 30, 2016 11:17 pm

Liberty wrote:
I thought this bit of the GQ interview was interesting
(http://fuckyeahshockblanket.tumblr.com/post/151481238741/is-benedict-cumberbatch-too-big-to-fail-by)

“Just wait and see. It’s wonderful, it’s very exciting. It’s exceeded all kind of expectations for how we top what we’ve done before, and it’s ramped up the whole thing. It just gets better and better and better.”

More than other series, he says, this one feels more like one story in three parts - with a villain who “comes slamming into the centre” by the end of the first episode, “and carries on into the second and resolves in the end. It’s f***ing ridiculous, it’s so exciting”.

It is, he says, “one of the best pieces of drama I’ve ever had to do, some of the best sequences I’ve ever had to shoot”.

I wish this was just transcribed rather than quoted, but he seems to be saying here that the villain has a role in all three episodes. This is interesting, because as far as we know Toby J was only confirmed for Ep2. So either he has been secretly filming a little for Eps 1 and 3 (which could possibly have been done while doing Ep2 - I'm not sure) and is the archvillain for the entire series, or he's the Ep2 villain, as we thought, but there is a different archvillain for the entire series (very exciting trying to guess who!), or ... I'm taking the quote out of context and Benedict is talking about the story, not the villain. My money is on the third option, but it's fun to speculate, of course.

Even if he just means the story, it's interesting to know that there will be an over-arching story for the series, even though I think we suspected that anyway! I just get more and more excited about January!

I missed this quote when I was away, but this is really interesting! Thanks for posting it, Liberty

**Posted by ukaunz** November 30, 2016 11:20 pm

I found this which highlights all the details
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-11-30/did-you-spot-the-hidden-clues-about-tom-hiddleston-moriarty-and-doctor-who-in-the-new-sherlock-picture

~~I still can't see the lifeboat though.~~

Oh, now I can.

Last edited by ukaunz (November 30, 2016 11:31 pm)

**Posted by ukaunz** November 30, 2016 11:32 pm

Redbeard?

**Posted by Liberty** December 1, 2016 8:00 am

Oh yes, it's got to be Redbeard! At first I thought the slipper was just where he keeps his tobacco/cigarettes, but it could also refer to Mary's travels and the filming abroad. The possible reference to The Musgrave Ritual is interesting!

The Radio Times does tend to spoil episodes (I don't know about Sherlock, but I remember they've done a synopsis of each episode for Doctor Who), which I don't have a problem with (it's possible not to look!), but just warning if people want a complete suprise. I agree that it's a lot of information, although some of it is just confirming what we expected, or was hinted at. Interesting that they really are doing The Six Napoleons (as it had already been done in John's blog as The Six Thatchers - I do wonder if they'll refer to that previous similar case?). Also good to know that it's going to reveal more of Mary's past! I think we'd worked that out, but I'm glad to hear it!

Last edited by Liberty (December 1, 2016 8:03 am)

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** December 1, 2016 8:27 am

Redbeard!

Ah yes, the slipper could also be a reference to Mary, but it is the slipper from TAB, isn't it?
Maybe a hint to 'danger nights' etc with his drug use...

**Posted by SusiGo** December 1, 2016 7:14 pm

Ahem. No mention of baby or family in this offical episode description. Wonder why.

**Posted by Liberty** December 1, 2016 7:16 pm

I honestly think the "challenge of parenthood" thing is a red herring.

**Posted by SusiGo** December 1, 2016 7:19 pm

Agreed. Food for the media, making silly jokes about uncle Sherlock, sociopathic baby sitter. Nothing more.

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** December 1, 2016 7:22 pm

I know this probably sounds stupid... but now it's really, really real for me, now that there's a BBC description...

**Posted by SusiGo** December 1, 2016 7:28 pm

I know what you mean.

**Posted by Schmiezi** December 1, 2016 7:40 pm

I feel the same, Phantom!

**Posted by nakahara** December 1, 2016 7:57 pm

ukaunz wrote:

Uh, terribly gruesome pic. Almost too scary for my taste.
When I compare promotional pictures for TAB which were gothic but funny, this one is positively BLEAK. And bizarrely lifeless too...
Almost as if they wanted to scare off people instead of attracting more viewers...

Last edited by nakahara (December 1, 2016 8:23 pm)

**Posted by nakahara** December 1, 2016 7:59 pm

Also, what could be the significance of Henry V. book? Why that book of all Shakeaspeare´s plays?

Last edited by nakahara (December 1, 2016 8:18 pm)