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**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** October 30, 2016 5:12 pm

And we're on page 63 too.

63 days will pass sooo quickly! I feel like I've just finished watching TAB for the very first time and was drying my eyes...

**Posted by SusiGo** November 3, 2016 4:24 pm

Here is an article with some interesting details:

http://m.inquirer.net/entertainment/205546

Wanda and Tim both seem to be in the case again. So far only Tim had been mentioned. And please tell me - what strain can they put on the Sherlock-John relationship after one of them faked his death and the other married a killer who shot his best friend?

**Posted by Schmiezi** November 3, 2016 5:41 pm

I fear the answer as much as I am longing for it!

**Posted by Vhanja** November 3, 2016 5:58 pm

I am wondering if it involves the baby. If the strain is something new, the newest factor in S4 is the baby.

If, for instance, there is a situation where Sherlock fails to save the baby (with little to no fault of his own), and John blames him. Or something like that.

Or it has to do with Sherlock's past. Where it puts Sherlock in such a distressed frame of mind that it puts a strain on their relationship. (Seeing as Sherlock's past seems to be the other new thing in this series).

**Posted by Schmiezi** November 3, 2016 6:32 pm

Or maybe he fails to save the baby and it really is his fault.

**Posted by SusiGo** November 3, 2016 6:49 pm

I am still convinced that the baby will not play an important part in S4. I was something getting those vibes from everything they did over the last months.

**Posted by Liberty** November 3, 2016 6:50 pm

I've been wondering about that too. The violin with the broken string seemed to imply (to me) four people and one death. The "three" were John, Mary and the baby, so I'd imagine the other is Sherlock (it's got to be him as he's the violin player), and that one of them will die. Now, Sherlock being the violin player makes me wonder if he'd be the one to break to the string and kill the fourth person. The broken string seems to be the highest one, the one closest to a child's voice, suggesting the baby is the one to go.

Sherlock wrote the wedding song for John and Mary in the last series. It makes me wonder if his next song is going to be a christening song or a funeral dirge.

But as usual, I'm kind of thinking aloud. There are other things that spring to mind - for instance that the violin is personal to Sherlock, so it may be only something of his that gets "broken".

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** November 3, 2016 6:55 pm

I'm really nervous, and I've stocked up some tissues... I mean, I was in tears after watching TAB, so yeah.

**Posted by SusiGo** November 3, 2016 6:56 pm

One of the reasons I am not sure about John being wrecked with grief for Mary and/or the baby is the fact that during setlock Martin always seems very composed and in control. Whereas Sherlock at least during ep. 2 was quite contrary. Same goes for the trailer. On the other they might trick us by creating false impressions. But I am still not sure they are going to have the baby die, mainly because this is so extremely far away from Canon.

**Posted by Liberty** November 3, 2016 7:02 pm

Yes, and I wonder if they're going to be playing around with time too, so we could be seeing Martin either before or long after any tragedy. I'm enjoying the fact that it's such a mystery!

**Posted by Vhanja** November 3, 2016 7:13 pm

SusiGo wrote:
I am still convinced that the baby will not play an important part in S4. I was something getting those vibes from everything they did over the last months.

Me too. That is why I think it will be gone/killed off quite early, and maybe some of the drama and angst will involve the aftermath of this.

John was also curiously absent in the trailer. Of course, Sherlock is - and should be - the main main character. However, I hope John will play a bigger part in the series than he does in the trailer.

As for straying away from canon, I think having Mary as an assassin that shoots and almost kills Sherlock is quite straying from canon already.

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**Posted by SusiGo** November 3, 2016 9:02 pm

Well, to be honest, we do not have a true Canon Mary Morstan in the show but a curious mixture of Sebastian Moran and maybe someone else. The only thing that connects our Mary Morstan with the Canon one is the (false) name and the fact that she marries John Watson.
There is a certain parallel to Granada Holmes which completely did without the marriage because they felt it was not right. Moftiss chose another solution to the same problem - by turning her into A.G.R.A with a touch of Moran and a name taken from a gravestone.

**Posted by ukaunz** November 4, 2016 8:55 am

I just found out that the free-to-air channel TVOne in NZ will be screening season 4, but the dates are still TBA. I'm hoping I'll get to watch the first couple of episodes while I'm over there in January, if not I'll just have to wait until I return to Australia and watch it on "Stan", the streaming network that has bought the rights (it used to just screen on the ABC, our equivalent to the BBC). But that means I'll only have to wait until Jan 13, so I'm pretty happy about this

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** November 4, 2016 9:02 am

With S3 and TAB (and maybe the series before that...) were shown here on a free to view channel a week after here... I hope it happens again! I think I'll try writing to them to ask actually.

But obviously I'll have my ways to watch it when it airs on BBC.

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** November 4, 2016 10:02 am

Oh they already answered! I asked if they would be showing it in January and they said that they had bought series 4... but didn't have the rights to show it yet.

I'm kind of confused, lol. Did they mean they technically could air it now if they were allowed?? Or did they mean they haven't been told when they can air it after BBC has shown them?

**Posted by ukaunz** November 4, 2016 10:16 am

Sounds to me like they have bought the rights, but I wouldn't think they actually have the episodes to air them yet. They probably can't announce the dates until BBC officially schedules the premiere on UK TV either.

**Posted by Rache** November 4, 2016 12:22 pm

I thought, they were still working on the music? Didn't someone here post a tweet 1-2 weeks ago from Mr Arnold and Mr Price that they were working on it and thinking about us Sherlock fans?

**Posted by nakahara** November 4, 2016 1:06 pm

nakahara wrote:

Here it is, Rache.

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** November 4, 2016 1:06 pm

So did I... maybe the lady on facebook read my question wrong. They have been re-running the show the last weeks, TAB is on tonight... so maybe they thought I was asking if they were continuing with series 4 next week...

I'll try to translate their answer a bit better:

"We have bought series 4, and we will show it. But we do not have the rights to air it right now. We will of course make an announcement when we start showing it!"

Yeah... they read my question wrong. I said January.

**Posted by kgreen20** November 4, 2016 7:50 pm

SusiGo wrote:
One of the reasons I am not sure about John being wrecked with grief for Mary and/or the baby is the fact that during setlock Martin always seems very composed and in control. Whereas Sherlock at least during ep. 2 was quite contrary. Same goes for the trailer. On the other they might trick us by creating false impressions. But I am still not sure they are going to have the baby die, mainly because this is so extremely far away from Canon.

So is John raising a child as a single father. That is also extremely far away from Canon.