BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / sherlock series 4 (spoilers inside)

**Posted by besleybean** February 13, 2016 4:33 pm

Ooh.
But you know what I had completely forgotten about(but no doubt you lot not only remembered but have said!)...was in SIP, Sherlock's comment about Mycroft working for the CIA.
So maybe he has known Mary for a long time...

**Posted by Yitzock** February 13, 2016 4:41 pm

Oh yeah....hmm...interesting, being CIA it's possible he was aware of her, though we don't know whether he saw Mary before His Last Vow, do we? So he could have been aware of her but not necessarily known John married her until then? If she didn't go by Mary Morstan before, isn't it possible she kept that new name secret and that the CIA might not have yet known about it, and then Mycroft saw her at Christmas and recognized her but didn't disclose?

**Posted by besleybean** February 13, 2016 4:46 pm

Many interesting possibilities...

**Posted by Lilythiell** February 13, 2016 5:37 pm

ukaunz wrote:
That casting call for a baby is for filming at the beginning of March
(https://twitter.com/MadDog_Casting/status/696989315461734400?s=17)

Didn't we establish that Sherlock would be filming from the end of March/beginning of April?
I'm wondering if they are going to do another mini-episode that will be released a month before s4.

A minisode in which we know -among other things- what happens at the end of that pregnancy, maybe...
But that would be spoiling us Or rewarding us further for the loooong wait between series 3 and 4?

**Posted by mrshouse** February 13, 2016 5:37 pm

Mycroft is the father!

**Posted by besleybean** February 13, 2016 5:39 pm

Oh stop it!

**Posted by mrshouse** February 13, 2016 5:43 pm

Why ever not? Much darker than this boring outsmarting each other and running on cases and saving the world and so forth and so forth.

**Posted by besleybean** February 13, 2016 5:46 pm

Well I like all of that stuff...
But no, I think the darker stuff is going to be related to a death...not that automatically precludes a questionable paternity of course. But I'm certainly hoping the baby's John's.

**Posted by Lilythiell** February 13, 2016 5:46 pm

God no!

But I think that she has been under surveillance for some time. He was aware of her. Though why didn't he warn John against her...Sherlock coming back home notwithstanding, the two of them -Sherlock and John- had had a relationship before his departure -put behind "relationship" what you will- , and loyalty was not questioned apart from that first meeting Mycroft had with John.
Mycroft should have warned John. Because he knows Sherlock would have insisted. No matter that "caring is not an advantage", Mycroft would have done so. Because he'd do a lot of things -he even did legwork!- for his little brother.

**Posted by besleybean** February 13, 2016 5:48 pm

I don't think John needed warning as such, he was in no danger.

Sherlock decided John needed to know, but not because he thought either of them were in any danger.

Last edited by besleybean (February 13, 2016 5:49 pm)

**Posted by Lilythiell** February 13, 2016 5:49 pm

besleybean wrote:
Well I like all of that stuff...
But no, I think the darker stuff is going to be related to a death...not that automatically precludes a questionable paternity of course. But I'm certainly hoping the baby's John's.

Same here.
I'm pretty certain that Amanda has said that Mary loved John. I can't imagine her saying that if she knew that the paternity was...questionable.

**Posted by Lilythiell** February 13, 2016 5:51 pm

No, he wasn't, especially as Mary loves him.
"warning" must not have been the right word, I think. "inform him"?

**Posted by Lilythiell** February 13, 2016 5:52 pm

besleybean wrote:
I don't think John needed warning as such, he was in no danger.

Sherlock decided John needed to know, but not because he thought either of them were in any danger.

Agreed.
"Don't get involved" gets a whole new meening, because there will be consequences to that in series 4.

**Posted by besleybean** February 13, 2016 5:53 pm

Yes.
But possibly Mycroft thought that Sherlock would be better telling John.
Though if she's working for Mycroft...

**Posted by Lilythiell** February 13, 2016 5:56 pm

Though if she's working for Mycroft, why let either of them know what her job was?
I think it's quite obvious that Mycroft considers John stupid -and Sherlock merely "slow".
He lives in a world of goldfish, after all.

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** February 13, 2016 9:38 pm

I do have a hunch Mycroft at least has a few files on Mary from before she met John... interesting

**Posted by SusiGo** February 15, 2016 12:09 pm

And so it begins … again.

http://1895itsallfine.tumblr.com/post/139351791412/arwels-going-to-do-it-again-this-year-like-he-did

**Posted by Lilythiell** February 15, 2016 12:31 pm

Oh yes!

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** February 15, 2016 12:34 pm

*Screams*

**Posted by nakahara** February 15, 2016 1:01 pm

http://marybegone.tumblr.com/post/139160293401/pammiejr-geekgirl1-constancecream