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**Posted by Mattlocked** March 7, 2014 11:17 pm

I was so sad after watching TEH tonight, so I thought coming to the forum for a while would help.....
Fine, so group crying it is.

**Posted by SusiGo** March 7, 2014 11:17 pm

So how many are we? Mattlocked, Solar, QE, yours truly - anyone else? *sniffle*

**Posted by SolarSystem** March 7, 2014 11:20 pm

The more, the merrier... NOT.

**Posted by tonnaree** March 8, 2014 3:43 am

*joins circle of tears*

YES! After HLV I was so irritated at those who made so much of the fact that "John wasn't in Sherlock's mind palace"! I wante to yell "you see but you do not observe"!

*sobs in to WatsonBear*

**Posted by SusiGo** March 8, 2014 9:53 am

I may have found a little thing they missed in their list.

Remember ASiP?
Sherlock: What happened to the lipstick?
Molly: It wasn't working for me.

A woman applying lipstick to attract the man she loves. When he does not react as expected, she wipes it off. And then we have this:

**Posted by Ozymandias** March 8, 2014 9:55 am

haha, can we really compare a lipstick and a horrid moustach? What a terrible idea Watson had

**Posted by SolarSystem** March 8, 2014 10:05 am

Oh, I think we can. Of course we don't know what would have happened if Mary had told John months ago that she hates the moustache - would he have shaved it off, too? We can only speculate.
But Mary says it herself, and I think she's right: Sherlock turns up and only one day later John shaves off the damn thing because Sherlock doesn't like it. Well.

**Posted by tonnaree** March 8, 2014 12:25 pm

Great catch on the lipstick Susi! It never dawned on me that John says the exact same thing Molly did!

I read the essay last night before going to bed and they did a very good job of collecting evidance. Also appreciate the point that rarely is anything on screen/in the script "throw away." Film cost money and screen time is limited so everything has to count,.

**Posted by besleybean** March 8, 2014 1:06 pm

Of course it all counts, it's what it counts for, that is the question;
It can be for humour, plot development, character development, to build up tension, for back story, for explanation...any number of reasons.

**Posted by tonnaree** March 8, 2014 2:42 pm

besleybean wrote:
Of course it all counts, it's what it counts for, that is the question;
It can be for humour, plot development, character development, to build up tension, for back story, for explanation...any number of reasons.

Or it can count to show that deep in their hearts John and Sherlock are madly in love and made for each other!

Sorry BB. I'm a bad girl!!!

**Posted by besleybean** March 8, 2014 3:22 pm

Nothing bad at all.
I agree with you on one of the points.

**Posted by ancientsgate** March 8, 2014 6:31 pm

SolarSystem wrote:
........But Mary says it herself, and I think she's right: Sherlock turns up and only one day later John shaves off the damn thing because Sherlock doesn't like it. Well.

"His Nibs."
bwahahahahaha! I love it.

I've read a few johnlock fan fics where the author has someone refer to Sherlock as "that posh bastard." heh I see John as someone who 100% has his eyes open about who and what Sherlock is, loves him anyway, not just in spite of it, but also BECAUSE of it. Everyone knows that love is blind. He might be a posh bastard, but he's MY posh bastard.

**Posted by ancientsgate** March 8, 2014 6:33 pm

tonnaree wrote:
Great catch on the lipstick Susi! It never dawned on me that John says the exact same thing Molly did!

Same writers. *shrug* And they undoubtedly don't have the time, money or energy to pay attention to continuity to the same degree as us crazy fans.

**Posted by SusiGo** March 8, 2014 7:49 pm

I think that the three episodes we get every two years are very well-planned and that there are so many connections and allusions and that this is no coincidence (the universe is rarely so lazy).
It is not that they use the same sentence twice but that they use it in a similar context that makes it interesting. There are many examples of that.
Just think of Mycroft's and Sherlock's respective "How would you know?" Both are crucial situations for the characterisation and they use the same words.

**Posted by Mattlocked** March 8, 2014 10:10 pm

I agree with you, Susi
Oh, and I love that scene where Sherlock finally gets his "revenge". How would you know?

**Posted by SusiGo** March 8, 2014 10:14 pm

Yes, it is great scene. As are all their scenes in HLV. It is beautiful to see how they go from the angry confrontation in 221B to Mycroft's "Oh, Sherlock. What have you done?"

**Posted by Mattlocked** March 8, 2014 10:22 pm

And Mrs Hudson has her part in that, too.

**Posted by SusiGo** April 20, 2014 7:24 pm

I was not sure where to put this so I posted it here.
John likes to wear checkered shirts. So do Sherlock's father and David, Mary's ex-boyfriend. Sherlock, however, never wears them, let alone shirts as casual as this one. So what do we make of this? I think there must be an idea behind this because the style is so totally unlike Sherlock. (And in TEH we see John in turn wearing a coat and his scarf tied the way Sherlock does).

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**Posted by tobeornot221b** April 20, 2014 8:02 pm

Sherlock in a chequered shirt and John in a coat and scarf maybe means mutual (unconscious?) approach between them - expanded even to outwardness.

**Posted by SolarSystem** April 20, 2014 8:16 pm

Let's just hope then that Sherlock doesn't decide to grow a moustache in S4... on the other hand, John then could ask him to shave it off while sitting on Sherlock's bed... and I know, I'm mixing various things now, but well...