Tinks wrote:

QuiteExtraordinary wrote:

Willow wrote:

Sadly, not. I appreciate that it's nice to think that if you are dying all you have to do is work at it and you can miraculously wake up whenever you wish but it doesn't really work like that.
 

I assumed that waking up after flatlining is next to impossible, so if he manages to do that he should have been able to wake up earlier since it would have been easier then.

 
He fought for life - the whole Mind Palace scene symbolised that.
He couldn't do it, though - until he found that final push and managed to claw his way back - it might be true to say that Moriarty's mention of John gave him the reason to try even harder but the scene overall was designed to show what a battle was going on.
It's like running a race when you've absolutely nothing left to give, and then when the end is in sight, you somehow manage to dig up a final spurt of energy.

Then why didn't he even think of John up to that point?
I'm not saying that necessarily means he wanted to die, but he wasn't very enthusiastic about surviving either, up to that moment where he had that one thought that changed everything apparently. Then he suddenly managed to wake up under the most impossible circumstances.

Last edited by QuiteExtraordinary (February 23, 2014 3:34 pm)

QuiteExtraordinary wrote:

Tinks wrote:

QuiteExtraordinary wrote:

I assumed that waking up after flatlining is next to impossible, so if he manages to do that he should have been able to wake up earlier since it would have been easier then.

 
He fought for life - the whole Mind Palace scene symbolised that.
He couldn't do it, though - until he found that final push and managed to claw his way back - it might be true to say that Moriarty's mention of John gave him the reason to try even harder but the scene overall was designed to show what a battle was going on.
It's like running a race when you've absolutely nothing left to give, and then when the end is in sight, you somehow manage to dig up a final spurt of energy.

Then why didn't he even think of John up to that point?
I'm not saying that necessarily means he wanted to die, but he wasn't very enthusiastic about surviving either, up to that moment where he had that one thought that changed everything apparently. Then he suddenly managed to wake up under the most impossible circumstances.

 
He didn't think of anyone really, up to that point - his sole focus was on what to do to survive - hence Molly and Anderson, the ones with medical knowledge were the ones in the Palace with him, telling him what he needs to do.
And his big Brother, of course, who is always in there.
Finally he hits the very bottom, with no strength left to fight, and that's when the thoughts of those he cares about come to him, and the memory that John might be in danger - and he manages to find a final reserve of energy to drag himself back.

It's another question if that wouldn't have happened if Sherlock had not been shot.

Tinks wrote:

QuiteExtraordinary wrote:

Tinks wrote:

He fought for life - the whole Mind Palace scene symbolised that.
He couldn't do it, though - until he found that final push and managed to claw his way back - it might be true to say that Moriarty's mention of John gave him the reason to try even harder but the scene overall was designed to show what a battle was going on.
It's like running a race when you've absolutely nothing left to give, and then when the end is in sight, you somehow manage to dig up a final spurt of energy.

Then why didn't he even think of John up to that point?
I'm not saying that necessarily means he wanted to die, but he wasn't very enthusiastic about surviving either, up to that moment where he had that one thought that changed everything apparently. Then he suddenly managed to wake up under the most impossible circumstances.

He didn't think of anyone really, up to that point - his sole focus was on what to do to survive - hence Molly and Anderson, the ones with medical knowledge were the ones in the Palace with him, telling him what he needs to do.
And his big Brother, of course, who is always in there.
Finally he hits the very bottom, with no strength left to fight, and that's when the thoughts of those he cares about come to him, and the memory that John might be in danger - and he manages to find a final reserve of energy to drag himself back.

But he did have the time to think of Mary and Redbeard and Moriarty, and some other people Moriarty mentioned, before he finally remembered John.

Last edited by QuiteExtraordinary (February 23, 2014 6:15 pm)

besleybean wrote:

Where on Earth do you get the idea he didn't want to live?

 
I explained that a couple of times already. But I did say it's a daring theory.

I think it's interesting that there's such a need to make Mary a "good girl" that we're willing to blame Sherlock not only for being shot, but for dying, and not reviving sooner. (Because that's so easy, he should have just not flatlined in the first place! Big dummy!) And now, he's at fault for not having John in his Mind Palace. So, of course he deserves what he got, right?

 And that, in a nutshell, would be Mary's thought process.

It's all about her. I find it very, very creepy. 

Last edited by RavenMorganLeigh (February 23, 2014 7:34 pm)

The thought that Mary could be just plain evil doesn't break my heart at all. It's just, the way I saw it, in the show they were trying to convince us that she's on the "good" side in the end, and I'm trying to think of alternative explanations that could justify this.

QuiteExtraordinary wrote:

The thought that Mary could be just plain evil doesn't break my heart at all. It's just, the way I saw it, in the show they were trying to convince us that she's on the "good" side in the end, and I'm trying to think of alternative explanations that could justify this.

Well, I'm totally broken-hearted. :-) 

Off to write some more fix-it fic.