anjaH_alias wrote:

I agree. Just: In "The Final Problem" it was Moriarty sending John Watson away. I also have problems with that, because in TRF it looks very much as if Sherlock is the one who arranged that. But this would be too much against canon, or? Normally they find analogies, but stay true to it - another question which won´t be answered until series 3 .

I don't think anything in this series is so connected to canon that it can't be changed.  They've not followed pure canon since the beginning.  They've used it when it suited, they've played with it...but they've never claimed to adhere strictly to it.  Moriarty is an example of that- he's nothing like he was portrayed in the canon because they wanted something that would be scary by today's standards.  The Hounds of Baskerville is very different because Sherlock comes to Dartmoor in the show, whereas he doesn't (that we see) in the story.  But they played with that by having Sherlock say he's not going, then changing his mind to say that he's going.  Of course, it could have been Moriarty having John called away in the show, as well...but either way, Sherlock knows what's going on and he purposely lies about it.  As you said, we won't know for sure until series 3

Last edited by sj4iy (June 18, 2013 2:46 pm)

And Sherlock would want to try and get John out of thr way, but his timed was limited .

Be wrote:

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

I'd like it to be Sherlock that arranges the call, I think. Just to have a mirror image of how it was in the canon. It would would work either way though. Sherlock knows that John will come straight back as soon as he realises it was a set up.

What makes me think it was Sherlock that organised it, was that John's sniper was at St Barts. Moriarty knew that John was at St Barts with Sherlock, why would he arrange for him to be else where?

 
If Sherlock wanted John to not stay with him why has he called him at all hours ago? To talk about the not existing code? No. To know when the end game will start. Moriarty had more or less announced that John is Sherlock's pressure point.
If Sherlock wanted to be alone he could have just told John do go away or give him something to investigate in 221 b, e.g.the made up code.This would make John visit Baker Street, too. Why invent the fake near-death of Mrs H? The fake death will just make John drive to 221  and back at once. Because in the very moment John arrives in 221 he knows that the call was a fake. Sherlock would have predicted that.

IMO, the call was organized by Moriarty to make John do exactly what he did. John is a metaphorical time fuse to make Sherlock jump. Sherlock knew it because it wasn't him who arranged it and he knew that Mrs. H was protected. So the call was a fake. Why? To make John move. Funny. To shoo him around like a pet on a leash. (Irene's way of thinking).
The sniper for John has to know when to shoot John. He has to know how much time Sherlock has to prepare to jump and when the time is run off. Especially if we take into accout that Moriarty was eventually prepared to die himself.

The reason I think Sherlock had the call made:

1. He needs John to see him "die".  John is called out just in enough time for Sherlock to go up to the roof and take care of Moriarty before John can come back.  If John had gone inside the hospital, Sherlock's plan is ruined.  Moriarty wouldn't know what Sherlock was planning (obviously), so Sherlock needed John out of the way for a short amount of time, and then called him when he came back to make sure he was in the right position to give him his "note".

I went to that very area on Google Maps, where the hospital is and the scene took place. I went down into Street View; the smaller building is some kind of garage and it really is impossible to see the street below the roof from where John was stood. 

Be wrote:

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

I'd like it to be Sherlock that arranges the call, I think. Just to have a mirror image of how it was in the canon. It would would work either way though. Sherlock knows that John will come straight back as soon as he realises it was a set up.

What makes me think it was Sherlock that organised it, was that John's sniper was at St Barts. Moriarty knew that John was at St Barts with Sherlock, why would he arrange for him to be else where?

 
If Sherlock wanted John to not stay with him why has he called him at all hours ago? To talk about the not existing code? No. To know when the end game will start. Moriarty had more or less announced that John is Sherlock's pressure point.
If Sherlock wanted to be alone he could have just told John do go away or give him something to investigate in 221 b, e.g.the made up code.This would make John visit Baker Street, too. Why invent the fake near-death of Mrs H? The fake death will just make John drive to 221  and back at once. Because in the very moment John arrives in 221 he knows that the call was a fake. Sherlock would have predicted that.

IMO, the call was organized by Moriarty to make John do exactly what he did. John is a metaphorical time fuse to make Sherlock jump. Sherlock knew it because it wasn't him who arranged it and he knew that Mrs. H was protected. So the call was a fake. Why? To make John move. Funny. To shoo him around like a pet on a leash. (Irene's way of thinking).
The sniper for John has to know when to shoot John. He has to know how much time Sherlock has to prepare to jump and when the time is run off. Especially if we take into accout that Moriarty was eventually prepared to die himself.

 

I think Sherlock didn't want John out of the way until absolutely necessary. He could've easily found him something else to do but he knew what he was going to do and he gave into sentiment and chose to spend those last few hours with the person he cares for above all others x

Someone in this thread suggested before  that John will not forgive Sherlock  so easily  not only because of his own suffering but also Mrs Hudson`s ... That´s a interesting idea, too. Mrs Hudson to whom Sherlock was like a son.
And there is Lestrade, too. Sherlock`s suicide will have had impact on his career at the Yard.

kittykat wrote:

Been reading Series 3 spoilers from the set, including how John reacts. It's out there if you look for it

 
Oh yes it is. Poor Sherlock.
Personally I hope they don`t work toooooo much out of of canon. In canon the reunion with Sherlock Holmes is the most astonishing ( and joyous) event in John Watsons`life. If they  ( "Moftiss") will stepping too much out of canon I will be very disappointed. The deep friendshiep - indeed love - between John and Sherlock is THE heart of the show. John had so much wanted that "miracle". Sherlock HAD "died" for him. ( I think Sherlock has jumped indeed of that roof, he could NOT be 100% sure to survive). If John  ( Mrs Hudson and Lestrade, too) will don`t valour that then he ( they) is (are) NOT worth Sherlock`s sacrifice, love and friendship!

Not what I would choose for wallpaper!

Ha ha, I loved it XD

I don't think Gatiss&Moffat will ever give us a hug.