Mary Me wrote:

Smoggy_London_Air wrote:

Because, in my opinion, Sherlock's not interested in sex (so how are we defining "relationship" in this regard?), I would say John. As Irene said: "Yes you are [a couple]." As best friends with a somewhat emotional attachment, I believe that this is as close as it gets, and also as close as Sherlock wants it. 

That's what I mean!

I agree. But that's still "Johnlock", it's just not "sexual Johnlock". So, technically, you still ship Johnlock.... But this is why "sexual Johnlock" will never become BBC canon. This is as far as it gets.

The RDJ films are SOOOOO much gayer, and actually, the idea of Holmes and Watson being more than just friends is not a new thing, it's been around for quite a while, Moftiss just played it up in a massive way.

Oh yeah, for the upcoming series I definitely ship Sherlock and Molly.

Punch me in the face wrote:

So we've got John. John is loyal, Sherlock trusts him, he doesn't let himself be intimated by Sherlock and would always tell Sherlock what he thinks, even if that ends up with Sherlock being upset, he wouldn't hesitate to risk his life for Sherlock, he always follows him even when it's dangerous, sure he's not as clever as Sherlock nor Irene, but he's still very clever and he's got the intelligence of the heart, he's got enough self-confidence not to be too upset when Sherlock keeps on calling him an idiot for example, he is calm and poised which counterbalances Sherlock's exuberance, despite their little "fights", they get on well together, they live together and are comfortable with other, John makes Sherlock laugh and vice versa, he admires Sherlock and believes in him: Sherlock may say he couldn't care less about people's opinion, he truly needs that. Someone who likes him for who is, I'd even say: despite who he is. I think even Mycroft thinks high of John. And I think Sherlock is dependent on John even more than John is on him...

To me, John is the missing piece of puzzle in Sherlock's life.
 

Well said! I'm with you completely.

Yeah, Molly's a nice girl, intelligent, kind, pretty without looking like a whore, devoted and all. But I just don't think Sherlock would be the right guy for her. Molly seems to be a girl who'd be ready to give more to her man than she would get but she also looks like your lovey-dovey kind of girl, so I think at some point, she would desperately wait more from Sherlock (romantism, a lot of attention...) and she would obviously never get it. She wouldn't leave Sherlock because she loves him too much, but she wouldn't be happy in the relationship anyway... I can picture her looking at some lovers in the street, like a man giving flowers to his fiancee, and they'd hug and kiss, and her heart would tighten, she'd get back home full of hopes and Sherlock would tell her something quite rude without even thinking it is, and she would just break down...

That's the way I see it, at least...
(I've always wondered btw if, at the christmas scene, Sherlock kissing her on the cheek was entirely his idea of he does it because of John reproachful and encouraging look)

Then, if I can conceal Sherlock feels something for Irene, I don't think he does for Molly. He doesn't even look that happy to see her coming at Christmas. He only says kind things to her when he needs something. And surely, if she had seemed so important to him, Moriarty (with all the spying he did and his intelligence) would have had her targeted by a sniper as well I think.

Anyway, if you told me "Sherlock can't be with John, he has to be with a girl", then my choice would definitely be Molly, not Irene.

"that doesn't mean that there isn't space for women in their life. "
>> I'm not so sure about that. Sherlock hasn't given me the feeling so far that he'd be ready to "share" John. Sarah? Well, he ruined John's date. Ok, he invited himself more for the case than anything, but still (ah ah, and the "that's what I was suggesting" always cracks me up! lol). Janette? I suspect him to have mistaken her name on purpose. It seems like he is jealous and possessive, like he would like to keep John for himself and that there isn't space for anyone else in their relationship. Quite a bit strange IMO for someone who he'd consider only as a friend.

Ok, I may be biased by my addiction to Johnlock.

If I tried to be really honest, I'd tell you that I don't think John is gay and that he "only" considers Sherlock as his best friend, but that this friendship takes so much space in his life that there is hardly room for anyone else, no matter how hard he tries. His priority will always be Sherlock (cf the scene with Janette at Christmas). He'd like to have someone else in his life, but he just doesn't manage to.

As for sherlock, I think John means the world to him. He seems dependent on him. I think his feelings towards him are far more than friendship feelings. He needs John. In every possible meaning. Have you seen him laugh with anyone else? Have you seen him smile at someone else, and I mean genuine smiles? Have you seen him look at others the way he looks at John? He says it himself, John is his only friend. Not Lestrade. Not Molly. Just John. He hardly shows his feelings, but he cries at the top of St Barts. Of course, John isn't the only reason. He cries because even if he had planned to jump at some point, there may be a chance to die for real, so he must be scared. He cries because even if he survives, he knows his professional life will be ruined as everyone thinks he's a fake and his work means so much to him. But I think he cries even more because he has to tell John he is a fake (It must be horrible to think "My best friend will think I'm dead and he will think I've betrayed him, that I've lied to him..." ) and above all because he already knows that this is farewell (for quite a long time at least), that he won't see John again (maybe he really thinks he'll never see him again at this point), that he knows John is gonna be hurt, and maybe he thinks of life without John and thinks he's not going to cope.

So I'd say that to John, it's a very strong friendship which takes so much space in his life that there is harldy space for something else (women, work..) but I think that to Sherlock, it's more, much more than that. And if it's not pure love, then it's something even stronger. But it's not friendship. Let's say Sherlock is the same age as Benedict, 36, doesn't that say a lot that in all those years, John is the only person he has ever considered as a friend? I don't think he shows any sexual interest in John, I'm not even sure he'd like physical contact like kisses or hugs, but his feelings are not those of a friend, best friend or whatever. They're those of a "second half", of a "soul mate"...

That's the way I see it. (and in my fantasies, his feelings are returned by John)
 

Last edited by Punch me in the face (May 25, 2013 10:36 am)

Sherlock in a relationship isn't canon at all, though it depends on how we define a relationship.
In the next series I would have Sherlock and Molly to be closer to each other in an emotional way. I just want their relation to develope and I don't think that's too far-fetched. But maybe he will show his respect towards her more clearer than he did in the last series. That's all I'm hoping for. They don't have to kiss. 

I agree with the notion of 'pure love' between Sherlock and John. They are soul mates, they connect on the most basic level and therefore can accept any aspect of each others personalities because of this. If Sherlock wasn't who he is, if his personality was vastly different, John would still accept him no matter what because the connection is there.

I see 'pure love' as emotional but not necessarily sexual. It would be great if you were attracted to that person and the feelings reciprocated as there would be no greater bond but it is still a powerful bond without the sex. This is how I see their relationship.

I cannot ship him with Irene as she cannot be trusted. There cannot be a relationship without trust and she would always put 'playing the game' over her feelings for Sherlock.

In my headcanon I see his experiance with Irene making him appreciate Molly more as he eventually sees the devotion and complete trust she has for him. She is the exact opposite of Irene and I love her for it.

I see his apology to Molly as proof he does care deeply for her and I believe he was being truly sincere in that moment. John saw the sincerity too which is why he looked so shocked by it.

I wish the writers would make them a couple but I can only hope, I guess. If not, I'll always have fanfiction x

Well, nobody.
It is sad, but according to canon an intimate relationship is just not something Holmes would do. Neither would Sherlock.
And if you ask me, even the friendship with John is something extraordinary in Sherlock's life. He is very lucky to have found John. Everybody can be lucky if they had a friend like John. With Sherlock's difficult personality (to say the least) he probably never expected to find somebody who would share a flat with him and who would like him. He is a difficult man to find a flatmate for. Everybody else does say piss off.

Looking at it from the perspective of someone with mild Asperger's it gets even more obvious. In reality it is quite problematic to maintain a relationship between a neurotypical person and somebody with Asperger's. The person without Asperger's often tends to invest emotions into the relationship which is perfectly "normal" but they expect or want the emotions to be shown in a way that is not possible or not visible.
John has IMO developed some kind of understanding about Sherlock's way to express himself. He overlooks his rudeness and he can see through Sherlock's armour. In real life that is something that is very rare to find.

The fact that even a friend like John will eventually move out when he finds himself a wife is inevitable, I'm afraid. It's just how things are. 

I don't say he "has" Asperger's but he shows several signs of it. I don't want of put labels on people. He is just Sherlock. Let's stick to that.
And of course he has emotions, but he hides them well. I imagine because they make him vulnerable.

John's probably the only one who can handle Sherlock. They do say opposites attract

I think John is the best match for Sherlock taking into account that Sherlock clearly isn't ready for what we " normal, dull " people call a relationship. The thing is I don't think John is gay, as he seemed attracted by the girl in the car taking him to Mycroft in A Study in Pink. I only see a strong friendship between them, and according to me it is possible to have very strong feelings for a truly special friend and weep for him or her without being in love.
But, if one day Sherlock gets ready for a relationship, I think Molly could be the one he ends up with. In fact, I've already wondered if the reason why he's so unkind to her is to keep her away from him, thus protecting himself from any romantic feelings that could come up.
Anyway, the whole point is that the different actors play so well that everything in the story is subject to interpretation, isn't it ?