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beekeeper wrote:
So your knowledge is basically school knowledge then?
Yeah, pretty much. Unless you've been in the country, you really can't say that you know jack about it. I haven't been in England so cannot say that I know anything real about England (like where all the best pubs/bars are - not the ones they advertise in the brochure )
However, I can say that I know something about Sydney because I know at least one good bar
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Mnemosyne wrote:
(not everyone is a nice, middle-class eccentric around here... although I fit into that category rather nicely.)
Speaking of class, how would you class the following characters based on the new system (or a more pertinent system, if you prefer, but please explain it to the non-Brits):
Sherlock
John
Lestrade
Molly
Mrs. Hudson
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MNRebecca wrote:
Speaking of class, how would you class the following characters
Forgot to add, please briefly explain reason for 'class'-ification.
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errrr. I think this is quite debated actually.
What complicates it is that I'd say that the class system is a lot more fluid in London anyway, with a lot more mobility than elsewhere. Also, there's a kind of London mishmash accent which they all use to an extent. Lestrade, for example, sounds like he's using estury English (I think he might be aiming for cockney) which could place him anywhere in London really.
I think the standard answer would be
Sherlock - upper/ruling class. Not sure he's originally a Londoner.
John - middle middle class, possibly working class made good. Prob not a Londoner-somewhere more southern, I think.
Lestrade -middle middle class, possibly working class made good. Londoner but probably south London.
Molly - probably ex private school/oxbridge or a redbrick uni so some kind of nice middle class, not a Londoner but a southerner
Mrs. Hudson- not sure. Londoner definately, with the only other option I can see being Brighton
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I've said before, I am not sure this is right. I think both Sherlock and John may not have the backgrounds we assume from their accent. John in particular has mysteriously no family, no referencces to family (aside from his sister). Most doctors have parents who are doctors but you don't get that sense with him.
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I always imagine John as coming from a lower middle class background, so his parents came from working class backgrounds then moved up.
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yk, there is something very rootless about John. I've wondered if he was orphaned/ abandoned pretty young. He and his sister do seem reasonably screwed up, tbh and only seem to have each other. He's young, at around 40, to have no parents.
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beekeeper wrote:
yk, there is something very rootless about John. I've wondered if he was orphaned/ abandoned pretty young.
May I just say, the way this series absolutely CRAMS you with wondering about the characters' psyches and backstories is what makes it such a stupendous show.
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MNRebecca wrote:
May I just say, the way this series absolutely CRAMS you with wondering about the characters' psyches and backstories is what makes it such a stupendous show.
We can pull some information from the original stories, but the writers play with canon - reversing it, combining it, updating it - so much that we can't rely on it. But I think they're quite meticulous about the characters as they've envisioned them, and it's those little details that make the show.
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Does Benedict play Sherlock with an accent or is it his native/normal/actual accent? How about Martin?
I have a decent ear for accents but I know that British accents have more layers than I can hear.
Footnote: Years ago in an American comedy TV show, a British character meeting another Brit for the first time could identify not only the country and city she was from but also the street, and which SIDE of the street and which FLOOR of the building. A good giggle at our impression of the uncanny way that Brits can often identify each other....
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Their accents seem the same as real life to me. Just look at some of the interviews to hear them as themselves
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Now that I've been to England, I'm much more...intrigued...by Ben's insistence on referring to himself as English, not British.