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August 13, 2012 8:18 pm  #141


Re: D'you think Sherlock has ever had a girlfriend?

Smoggy_London_Air wrote:

Arya wrote:

Ivy and ancientsgate- sorry, I didn't write the last post very well. You English is great, Ivy. I just watched SiB again this morning, and I was still trying to... reorganize my thoughts again, I guess .

I was just wondering why you think Sherlock saved Irene if you don't think he's straight or bi 

IMO, Sherlock's bi. It's the most logical way to explain the end of SiB, and, from a writer's standpoint, it would be too boring to make Sherlock straight after all this time 

I believe Sherlock's relationship with Irene is purely intellectual. If he is attracted to her, he's attracted to her mind, not what's in her pants. To him, it wouldn't matter if Irene was a sexless brain in a box, if she offered a challenge, he's game. Perhaps intellsexual? The reason she's so important in the canon is, yes, because she's a woman. But only because she's the only woman that ever outwitted him. It was the brain that was notable. He would remember her even if she was a man because he's been beaten by a very limited number of people, it's just that her sex makes her stand out in that group.

In the modern era that's less important. Women are barristers, scientists, mathematicians, college professors, etc., so our Sherlock has grown up in a world where it's nothing notable for a woman to be intelligent. The reason she's important is that, as far as we know, she was the first person, male or female, to beat Modern!Sherlock Holmes.

I believe their relationship only took a sexual turn because Irene engineered it that way.

I like that analysis Smoggy. Makes a lot of sense.


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September 7, 2012 6:37 pm  #142


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I haven't yet formed my thoughts on the matter into something comprehensible enough to be posted; bear with me on that. Slightly OT: this discussion reminds me very much of oddly similar ones during my time frequenting a Morrissey fan forum. I feel at home already! 

 

September 7, 2012 11:30 pm  #143


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Welcome to the forum, Charlotte!

Sorry, this is off-topic, but what's Morrissey??

 

September 8, 2012 2:29 am  #144


Re: D'you think Sherlock has ever had a girlfriend?

Smoggy_London_Air wrote:

I believe Sherlock's relationship with Irene is purely intellectual. If he is attracted to her, he's attracted to her mind, not what's in her pants. To him, it wouldn't matter if Irene was a sexless brain in a box, if she offered a challenge, he's game. Perhaps intellsexual?

Ah ha!  I just learned a new word today that may be just what you're trying to describe here.  'Sapiosexual' = one who finds intelligence the most sexually attractive feature.  You were close Smoggy! 


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September 8, 2012 6:31 am  #145


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Morrissey? Oh Lord! Lol

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrissey


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September 8, 2012 5:07 pm  #146


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Morrissey? Oh Lord! Lol

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrissey

Sorry, American teenager here  Thanks!

 

September 8, 2012 5:25 pm  #147


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Morrissey, one of my favourite singers (says a German who was a teenager in the 80s). 


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September 11, 2012 12:45 am  #148


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Maybe, maybe not. He's still Sherlock


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September 11, 2012 12:48 am  #149


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It's a possibility! He doesn't open up easily. Him and John both have 'trust issues' in my eyes.


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September 11, 2012 6:26 am  #150


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SherlockForeverAlways wrote:

Sherlock and John both have 'trust issues' in my eyes.

Or maybe we can distinguish that into one of them has trust issues and the other one control issues?

 

September 11, 2012 11:05 pm  #151


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Does John have trust issues? IMO, he's always unquestioningly trusted Sherlock, even after Sherlock almost blew them up in TGG and experimented on him in HoB.

Sherlock definitely has control issues, though

 

September 12, 2012 8:46 pm  #152


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No girlfriend most likely but he deserves to fall in love. He's only human!!!


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September 13, 2012 12:25 am  #153


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The Doctor wrote:

SherlockForeverAlways wrote:

Sherlock and John both have 'trust issues' in my eyes.

Or maybe we can distinguish that into one of them has trust issues and the other one control issues?

Exactly!


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September 13, 2012 1:22 am  #154


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SherlockForeverAlways wrote:

No girlfriend most likely but he deserves to fall in love. He's only human!!!

Well, he's got John right under his nose, so maybe Sherlock should take his own advice and stop simply seeing and OBSERVE.

 

September 13, 2012 2:21 pm  #155


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And come to think of it - there's that scene in Belgravia when they're talking about Irene being a dominatrix and Mycroft tells Sherlock not to be alarmed, and he says "sex doesn't alarm me" and Mycroft says "how would you know" or something like that...and Sherlock looks a bit put out...indicating that he probably hasn't had any relationships before.

Exactly! I laughed out loud that scene, John and the other guy looked like " omg, he's virgin, why the hell am I hearing this conversation?"


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September 13, 2012 2:46 pm  #156


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Caroll wrote:

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And come to think of it - there's that scene in Belgravia when they're talking about Irene being a dominatrix and Mycroft tells Sherlock not to be alarmed, and he says "sex doesn't alarm me" and Mycroft says "how would you know" or something like that...and Sherlock looks a bit put out...indicating that he probably hasn't had any relationships before.

Exactly! I laughed out loud that scene, John and the other guy looked like " omg, he's virgin, why the hell am I hearing this conversation?"

Now see, I didn't get that at all from that scene. I thought Sherlock looking put out was more of course I'd know, you dumb silly boy, where do you get off? And John and the other guy exchanging looks was more being uncomfortable at having to witness that old-age sibling rivalry, which was embarrassingly stupid and inappropriate in front of others, more something you'd hear between two junior high kids. So it all depends on what we want to see in a scene, doesn't it.

 

September 15, 2012 9:12 am  #157


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ancientsgate wrote:

Caroll wrote:

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

And come to think of it - there's that scene in Belgravia when they're talking about Irene being a dominatrix and Mycroft tells Sherlock not to be alarmed, and he says "sex doesn't alarm me" and Mycroft says "how would you know" or something like that...and Sherlock looks a bit put out...indicating that he probably hasn't had any relationships before.

Exactly! I laughed out loud that scene, John and the other guy looked like " omg, he's virgin, why the hell am I hearing this conversation?"

Now see, I didn't get that at all from that scene. I thought Sherlock looking put out was more of course I'd know, you dumb silly boy, where do you get off? And John and the other guy exchanging looks was more being uncomfortable at having to witness that old-age sibling rivalry, which was embarrassingly stupid and inappropriate in front of others, more something you'd hear between two junior high kids. So it all depends on what we want to see in a scene, doesn't it.

So are you saying you don't think Sherlock's a virgin then?


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September 15, 2012 10:20 am  #158


Re: D'you think Sherlock has ever had a girlfriend?

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So are you saying you don't think Sherlock's a virgin then?

From what I understand, few people over 20 or so are. And even fewer men than women. Sherlock is a good-looking guy, and possessed of an inquisitive mind, to say the least. I can absolutely see him at 12, 14, 16, 18, finding a willing someone (or two or three or more) to try it out with. He'd want to know what all the hullabaloo was about, after all. I can even envision him trying it out with both genders at various times, running his own private social "experiments" with it. Just because he says girls are not his thing, and he doesn't have a boyfriend, and he's married to his work, and just because his brother felt free to belittle him in front of two other men (one of whom is Sherlock's best friend and colleague), doesn't mean he has no experience.

Until the writers write him the line, "I'm a virgin, you know, John, and I don't think I've missed a thing," until I hear it come out of his own mouth somehow like that, I will believe that he's experienced but now has decided it's just too damned much trouble, so for now, he's chosen to be celibate. Being celibate does not automatically translate into being a virgin.

Not sure why the fandom has jumped to the virginity conclusion-- did I miss some bit of dialogue where he said he was a virgin?  Is canonical Sherlock a virgin-- did ACD write that in so many words?

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September 15, 2012 10:34 am  #159


Re: D'you think Sherlock has ever had a girlfriend?

There are plenty of people who grow up not interested in sex, more interested in academic study and their own imagination, or not socially confident enough to flirt or even get into a situation like that. Sherlock is all of those traits and more. I know that most people of his age have lost their virginity, but I am in my mid 20s and actually know quite a few people who are still virgins, I even know a guy in his 60s who has never had sex and never wanted to!

And why would Sherlock care? I mean really? It's just like the solar system - not important! And far too much of a distraction from his work and study. Even at Uni whilst everyone would be going out partying etc, he would be sat in his room stooped over his microscope and writing his dissertations. He doesn't socialise, he hates parties, he has no friends, how do you suppose he would even meet people to get into those situations?

And what would his motivation be? He believes that love is a dangerous disadvantage, that sentiment is pretty stupid etc, and as an intelligent man he would know that sex often leads to development of feelings and emotions, something he would want to avoid. He would just view the whole thing as a pointless waste of his precious time and energy.


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September 15, 2012 10:54 am  #160


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ancientsgate wrote:

Until the writers write him the line, "I'm a virgin, you know, John, and I don't think I've missed a thing," until I hear it come out of his own mouth somehow like that, I will believe that he's experienced but now has decided it's just too damned much trouble, so for now, he's chosen to be celibate. Being celibate does not automatically translate into being a virgin.

Not sure why the fandom has jumped to the virginity conclusion-- did I miss some bit of dialogue where he said he was a virgin?  Is canonical Sherlock a virgin-- did ACD write that in so many words?

Okay... so why does a part of the fandom "has jumped to the" johnlock-thing then?
I never heard anything like that out of John's or Sherlock's mouth.   

I agree with boss, to me Sherlock just seems "not interested". So to me he's more likely a virgin than experienced. But of course so far you never know. 


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