Smoggy_London_Air wrote:

Arya wrote:

Ivy and ancientsgate- sorry, I didn't write the last post very well. You English is great, Ivy. I just watched SiB again this morning, and I was still trying to... reorganize my thoughts again, I guess .

I was just wondering why you think Sherlock saved Irene if you don't think he's straight or bi 

IMO, Sherlock's bi. It's the most logical way to explain the end of SiB, and, from a writer's standpoint, it would be too boring to make Sherlock straight after all this time 

I believe Sherlock's relationship with Irene is purely intellectual. If he is attracted to her, he's attracted to her mind, not what's in her pants. To him, it wouldn't matter if Irene was a sexless brain in a box, if she offered a challenge, he's game. Perhaps intellsexual? The reason she's so important in the canon is, yes, because she's a woman. But only because she's the only woman that ever outwitted him. It was the brain that was notable. He would remember her even if she was a man because he's been beaten by a very limited number of people, it's just that her sex makes her stand out in that group.

In the modern era that's less important. Women are barristers, scientists, mathematicians, college professors, etc., so our Sherlock has grown up in a world where it's nothing notable for a woman to be intelligent. The reason she's important is that, as far as we know, she was the first person, male or female, to beat Modern!Sherlock Holmes.

I believe their relationship only took a sexual turn because Irene engineered it that way.

I like that analysis Smoggy. Makes a lot of sense.

Welcome to the forum, Charlotte!

Sorry, this is off-topic, but what's Morrissey??

Morrissey? Oh Lord! Lol

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrissey

Morrissey, one of my favourite singers (says a German who was a teenager in the 80s). 

It's a possibility! He doesn't open up easily. Him and John both have 'trust issues' in my eyes.

Does John have trust issues? IMO, he's always unquestioningly trusted Sherlock, even after Sherlock almost blew them up in TGG and experimented on him in HoB.

Sherlock definitely has control issues, though

The Doctor wrote:

SherlockForeverAlways wrote:

Sherlock and John both have 'trust issues' in my eyes.

Or maybe we can distinguish that into one of them has trust issues and the other one control issues?

Exactly!

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

And come to think of it - there's that scene in Belgravia when they're talking about Irene being a dominatrix and Mycroft tells Sherlock not to be alarmed, and he says "sex doesn't alarm me" and Mycroft says "how would you know" or something like that...and Sherlock looks a bit put out...indicating that he probably hasn't had any relationships before.

Exactly! I laughed out loud that scene, John and the other guy looked like " omg, he's virgin, why the hell am I hearing this conversation?"

ancientsgate wrote:

Caroll wrote:

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

And come to think of it - there's that scene in Belgravia when they're talking about Irene being a dominatrix and Mycroft tells Sherlock not to be alarmed, and he says "sex doesn't alarm me" and Mycroft says "how would you know" or something like that...and Sherlock looks a bit put out...indicating that he probably hasn't had any relationships before.

Exactly! I laughed out loud that scene, John and the other guy looked like " omg, he's virgin, why the hell am I hearing this conversation?"

Now see, I didn't get that at all from that scene. I thought Sherlock looking put out was more of course I'd know, you dumb silly boy, where do you get off? And John and the other guy exchanging looks was more being uncomfortable at having to witness that old-age sibling rivalry, which was embarrassingly stupid and inappropriate in front of others, more something you'd hear between two junior high kids. So it all depends on what we want to see in a scene, doesn't it.

So are you saying you don't think Sherlock's a virgin then?

There are plenty of people who grow up not interested in sex, more interested in academic study and their own imagination, or not socially confident enough to flirt or even get into a situation like that. Sherlock is all of those traits and more. I know that most people of his age have lost their virginity, but I am in my mid 20s and actually know quite a few people who are still virgins, I even know a guy in his 60s who has never had sex and never wanted to!

And why would Sherlock care? I mean really? It's just like the solar system - not important! And far too much of a distraction from his work and study. Even at Uni whilst everyone would be going out partying etc, he would be sat in his room stooped over his microscope and writing his dissertations. He doesn't socialise, he hates parties, he has no friends, how do you suppose he would even meet people to get into those situations?

And what would his motivation be? He believes that love is a dangerous disadvantage, that sentiment is pretty stupid etc, and as an intelligent man he would know that sex often leads to development of feelings and emotions, something he would want to avoid. He would just view the whole thing as a pointless waste of his precious time and energy.