Yes, it would make the whole thing pointless really.  And I don't think the episode makes sense being within John's head.  If John had "created" all this, why would he be so interested in Mycroft, for instance?  Why is he so fixated on "Redbeard" (something he knows virtually nothing about and hasn't shown any interest in)?

Also, there is a relatively happy ending that ties everything up and finishes the series/show. 

Liberty wrote:

Also, there is a relatively happy ending that ties everything up and finishes the series/show. 

Interesting theory. (Not saying I believe in it but I like to think down those lines.)

The happy ending could be because of John's tremendous need for happy endings. If we say all of it is John's imagination, we have to believe that he imagine a tripple rescue: the girl in the plane was saved, Eurus in her room was (Kind of) saved, John in the well was saved. Seems quite a lot to me. But of course, the charming thing about any halucination theory is that everything is possible. ;-)

ewige wrote:

I have nothing clever to add to that, but what do you mean "continuity errors with the lamps", Rache?

I can answer it too In the beginning, in Baker Street, when Mycrotf talks his first Redbeard and Eurus story, the lamps are sometimes on, and sometimes off. I think, this is really the continuity error (ok, let's say: it is my opinion in 99% ;] ).

But (finally, I understand...), OMG, it is not the point!

I wrote "I believe, this thread can be interesting and entertaining", but I never said, I think, this theory is true!
It's based on pretty many correct observations, it is created by very perceptive, inventive person. It's ingenious, and it can explain some still unexplained details, or answer unanswered questions. It is very good theory (on the more abstract level).
Really, needs it to be also truth, to enjoy it??

There are many theories, based on assumption, something is not real ( take a look, plz: http://fkngerlocked.tumblr.com/post/156286605281/emanuelleismyname-its-for-men-was-it-all-in - all this blog is interesting!).

But in this topic - I hoped for sort of mind game, with the best of the theories...   

BTW more about "The Girl Is John" theory: 
http://fkngerlocked.tumblr.com/post/156088825386/this-is-an-additional-post-to-my-eurus-shot-john  
http://fkngerlocked.tumblr.com/post/156109518291/aaand-another-addition-to-my-john-is-the-girl-on  
Just as a mental exercise, too...

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No, the theory does not have to be true to be fun and interesting. :-D

ewige wrote:

I have nothing clever to add to that, but what do you mean "continuity errors with the lamps", Rache?

I think this refers to a scene in which a lamp in 221b keeps going on and off within the same scene and without any explanation. I saw screenshots of this but I cannot remember which scene it was. 

About the theories: I think it is telling that people try to find alternative explanations of the many plotholes and inconsistencies within the show. I enjoyed series 4 but there are indeed some things that would leave me dissatisfied if the show ended here. Therefore to me it is a creative way of dealing with one's perception of the show. In this case, however, I would always prefer a "in Sherlock's head" solution because there are so many things in TFP John could not have known. 
 

SusiGo wrote:

ewige wrote:

I have nothing clever to add to that, but what do you mean "continuity errors with the lamps", Rache?

I think this refers to a scene in which a lamp in 221b keeps going on and off within the same scene and without any explanation. I saw screenshots of this but I cannot remember which scene it was. 

About the theories: I think it is telling that people try to find alternative explanations of the many plotholes and inconsistencies within the show. I enjoyed series 4 but there are indeed some things that would leave me dissatisfied if the show ended here. Therefore to me it is a creative way of dealing with one's perception of the show. In this case, however, I would always prefer a "in Sherlock's head" solution because there are so many things in TFP John could not have known. 
 

This was during the grenade explosion scene in 221B. The lamps were on when the three men were discussing their escape, but as soon as the countdown began and they started running, all the lamps were off. Literally from one shot to the next, for no apparent reason.

I think this theory about John is interesting, but SusiGo, I would tend to agree with you... TFP told from Sherlock's perspective makes much more sense than if it was told from John's. Aside from the family history that John couldn't possibly have known, it would also explain a number of things about Mycroft...

For example:
Why he is shown as "fat Mycroft" in the flashbacks, even though Mycroft was definitely not fat in the photo of him and Sherlock at the beach as kids (this photo is in 221B). The only "fat Mycroft" we've seen to date had basically all been in Sherlock's head.

Why Sherlock had always been the "grown up"!?! 

Why Mycroft was dumbed down a lot in TFP... in fact his character portrayal confused me at times. For example it was John who recognised it was the Governor speaking in the Eurus CCTV video. (Mycroft didn't get this even after John hinted at least twice for him to listen...) And given how protective of Sherlock Mycroft had always been throughout the series, him giving his blessing for *both* Moriarty AND Sherlock to visit Eurus unsupervised just didn't make a lot of sense... He knows full well Eurus can enslave people just by talking to them, and that Moriarty is a psychopath hell bent on destroying his little brother. And what did he do during Sherlock's visit? Rather than keep an eye on his brother to see if he was in danger from the security guards/ Eurus etc., he sat in an office and watched old CCTV footage? For a guy who typically surveils his brother even when he's in his own flat, that's just really weird.
 

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besleybean wrote:

To be fair, he didn't know there was no glass!

Well nor did Sherlock even though he was standing in front of it. (Don't even get me started on the glass).

Fact is, glass or no glass hardly mattered given Mycroft said she enslaved people just by "talking" to them.

I remember there were lots of theories before S4 came out, so it's nothing new!   And I agree it's fun. 

I don't think Eurus was ever intending to destroy Sherlock. 

I think she wanted to be saved by him. That's why she waited with her whole game until he was the sensitive person who could succeed.

I mean the Sherlock from S1 would have failed for sure.