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besleybean · September 14, 2016 7:47 pm

I don't see it as a moan at all, just a comment.

SusiGo · September 14, 2016 8:22 pm

I am not sure that this is directed at us, nakahara. I honestly cannot imagine people who have been analysing the show for years should have missed "blindingly obvious" clues.

besleybean · September 15, 2016 3:50 pm

That's a really famous picture and I can't for the life of me think who it is...
A poet?
Wordsworth?

besleybean · September 15, 2016 3:57 pm

Ah, I've definitely seen it...National Portrait Gallery, perhaps?

Vhanja · September 15, 2016 3:58 pm

This isn't even a quote, but a paraphrase. We know nothing about how he said and the tone he said it in. And, yeah, even if he was a tad grumpy, I have no trouble understanding why.

Then again, it's hard to know what is "obvious clues" and what is "random details" when you don't have the answer in front of you.

Liberty · September 15, 2016 6:03 pm

I just really, really hope that he tells us what they were right after S4 airs.

tonnaree · September 15, 2016 7:46 pm

Liberty wrote:
I just really, really hope that he tells us what they were right after S4 airs.

Me too Liberty, but I don't believe we should hold our breaths!

Yitzock · September 15, 2016 10:41 pm

Vhanja wrote:
This isn't even a quote, but a paraphrase. We know nothing about how he said and the tone he said it in. And, yeah, even if he was a tad grumpy, I have no trouble understanding why.

Since it's not his exact words, we can't tell for sure what the tone was, and I didn't read any hostility in it myself. I don't think it's an accusing statement, just more how he sees what's happening, which is that the details people go for with their speculations might not necessarily be the ones with the real clues. Everyone is doing their detecting, but they may have followed false leads.

Liberty · September 16, 2016 6:22 am

It could well be just playful. He was quoted in the article about that talk (http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-09-13/mark-gatiss-says-weve-missed-blindingly-obvious-clues-about-sherlocks-future) as saying he read something about Moriarty's theory, relating it to Grimm's fairytales, that would have required a dossier. But there were allusions to fairytales in TRF. Are we supposed to think of them as random details or obvious clues? It turns out that it's the former, but I really do think it's diffiult to tell. It's easy to see which now that we've had S3 and that line hasn't been followed through, but it probably wasn't obvious after TRF.

Still, it's fun to speculate about what's blindingly obvious and what's not! I think there's a thread about it somewhere?

ewige · September 17, 2016 8:50 pm

While I'm pretty sure Mark is just teasing us... maybe the "blindingly obvious" is Mycroft's introduction from the very first ep - that he is Sherlock's archenemy? I mean, I watched the first ep without any prior knowledge apart from the books and had forgotten that Sherlock had a brother, so I was very sure till after the shock blanket scene that the umbrella guy was Moriarty! I mean, they did frame it like that, right?

besleybean · September 17, 2016 8:51 pm

Oh yes, deliberately so.

ewige · September 17, 2016 9:02 pm

besleybean wrote:
Oh yes, deliberately so.

Thank you! I mean, everybody I've talked to before were like, OF COURSE that was Mycroft!
So while the popular M-Theory might requier a dossier, maybe TPTB will pull off something similar and then say, "But Mycroft basically confessed! In the very beginning! BLINDINGLY obvious!"
(altho he can't be a real baddie, not after Mrs. Hudson's "reptile" comment in the trailer!)

Liberty · September 18, 2016 7:34 am

Everybody knew it was Mycroft? I was certainly fooled on first viewing. And they ran with that again in TAB. Yes, I'm pretty sure Mycroft is going to be important in S4, and yes, I think that's the kind of thing they would do, going back to a "clue" from ASIP. Of course, it could be in a more subtle way, because I do think Mycroft may have been Sherlock's enemy in the sense of making him what he is, providing motivation (to be better than him), etc., and not in always in a way that was beneficial to Sherlock.

I'm sure we're going to have surprises about Mary too, but Mary's isn't the "story they've been telling from the beginning". I agree that maybe the "blindingly obvious" clues are in ASIP. I think I posted a while ago about what themes there are in ASIP that oculd come to fruition in S4. Mycroft was one of them.

kgreen20 · September 18, 2016 7:35 pm

Could you tell us where you posted that, Liberty? I should like to read it!

Liberty · September 18, 2016 8:31 pm

Oh, there was nothing to it ... just a bit at the end of this post (if I can link to it): http://sherlock.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=268649#p268649 . I keep thinking that "the story we've been telling from the beginning" has to be a big hint to look at earlier episodes. And there's actually quite a lot to go on in ASIP. In fact, the main thing missing is Mary, which makes me think that maybe she won't be the big bad of S4 (although I'm sure there will be more about her), unless she's there in some unseen way.

Vhanja · October 6, 2016 6:25 pm

I love that one!

besleybean · October 9, 2016 9:08 am

An oldie but goodie.

SusiGo · November 18, 2016 8:15 pm

And interesting how much they love TPLoSH. Remember Mark's scathing remarks from last July? About the "garbled mistranslation" regarding his love for the film?

ukaunz · December 4, 2016 11:00 am

Vhanja · December 4, 2016 11:04 am

They are really putting an emphasis on Moriarty for S4, aren't they? Could it be a red herring?