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Liberty · August 5, 2016 7:01 pm

Dracula's often very sexualised in dramatisations. I'm trying to remember what he was like in the book (ages since I read it).

I think a lot of characters in children's books (although certainly not all!) appear asexual, and often celibate. The Hobbit, for instance - Gandalf could be asexual as well as some of the other characters. Probably a bad example .... but lots of characters that the issue just doesn't arise for and could easily be seen as asexual - we don't see any sort of sex drive, or romantic entanglements even, and they're not affected by it. I'm not suggesting there's normally sex in children's books, but for instance, Snape seems to be attracted to Lily, Harry to Ginny, etc.

JP · August 5, 2016 7:15 pm

Celibate? Some monks, surely.
Clearly asexual? Not under the living

Vhanja · August 5, 2016 7:27 pm

Well, vampires are asexual beings because their bodies are dead, and so they have no bodily fluids. So sex is impossible.

besleybean · August 5, 2016 7:46 pm

(desperately tries to wipe that mental image!)

Then...er, do you need fluids?!

Liberty · August 5, 2016 7:54 pm

Well, it can smart a bit without them. j/k - no I don't think body fluids equate to sex. I feel there's more to sex than sexual acts.

Liberty · August 9, 2016 7:53 am

I was reading this article and thought of the recent discussion here in regards to Mark's tweets:

http://mid0nz.tumblr.com/post/148643160154/tjlc-is-more-than-a-readerly-approach-to-a-text

If Moffat and Gatiss have experienced ¼ of the garbage I’ve gotten from TJLCers they’re dealing with horrible, horrible stuff behind the scenes that they’re not even addressing. When they say they get pilloried– they mean it. For those of you who experience TJLC as a fun fandom game– I’m here to tell you it’s got a dark history.

It has been very educational for me, reading about this. I didn't know this was going on in the fandom (oh, the innocence of not being on tumblr!).

There was also this article that I posted recently, about Johnlock, but also about the relationship between fans and creators:

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/7/11950648/fandom-shipping-social-justice-ideological-warfare

Last edited by Liberty (August 9, 2016 8:23 am)

besleybean · August 9, 2016 7:58 am

Bottom line: fans have the right to be disappointed a show doesn't turn out how they want.
But no right to make personal attacks on the show creators.
Write your own darn shows!

Lilythiell · August 9, 2016 8:19 am

Good God this is sick indeed...!

JP · August 9, 2016 5:21 pm

Thanks for sharing. That's a stuff for a horror story.

Vhanja · August 9, 2016 5:42 pm

Oh god, sounds like something I shouldn't even read...

JP · August 9, 2016 7:46 pm

Sometimes you have to wonder if some people lost the capability to distinguish real people from characters in their fics.

besleybean · August 9, 2016 7:47 pm

It's a concern.

nakahara · August 12, 2016 7:17 am

Interesting conversation from both sides of the fence:

http://marybegone.tumblr.com/post/148825334716/so-what-should-we-do

Ivy · September 11, 2016 2:44 pm

LOL, have to share this

besleybean · September 11, 2016 2:54 pm

Ready for the show I'm going to see him in?!

JP · September 11, 2016 8:58 pm

If yes - it also means he will come to the Con like this! He looks like Mr Jackson from Hitman/cleaning up.

nakahara · September 14, 2016 12:16 pm

Radiotimes interview, 13. 9. 2016:

So once again, Mark Gatiss accusses fans of missing "obvious hints" and criticises us for analysing the details of the show.

Nothing new under the sun, but it´s getting annoying.

Liberty · September 14, 2016 5:41 pm

Well, the "random unrelated details" are there, so of course we're going to speculate! And what's the bet that the obvious clues haven't been missed at all?

I do understand that he's had some flak from the fandom recently, so maybe that makes this sound a bit grumpy ... and of course, it's always more difficult when you can't hear tone of voice.

besleybean · September 14, 2016 6:56 pm

He always has a joke in his heart, a smile on his face and a twinkle in his eye.
Love him.

nakahara · September 14, 2016 7:43 pm

Liberty wrote:
Well, the "random unrelated details" are there, so of course we're going to speculate! And what's the bet that the obvious clues haven't been missed at all?

I do understand that he's had some flak from the fandom recently, so maybe that makes this sound a bit grumpy ... and of course, it's always more difficult when you can't hear tone of voice.

I cannot imagine surviving three years long hiatus without lots of speculation and theories.
Therefore these (what to call them? moans? complaints?) seem quite unjustified to me.