Even if Johnlock is happening in the show as of now, there are no sighs of Mary being jealous about the relationship between John and Sherlock, if anything, she seems eager to join in. But that is a bit besides the point here. I think the decision that TPTB made very continuously in the show is to not have a Mary that forces John to decide between Sherlock and her. And Sherlock does not make John decide either. he sacrifices himself for Mary, seemingly without John's consent (unless one believes that shooting CAM was the plan).

All that aside, the aftermath of the shooting remains strange to me and I still have not been able to come up with a satisfactory explanation for myself. I can kind of get why Sherlock would not really hold the shooting against Mary (she did say sorry, and that is what you are supposed to do, so why be "unreasonable" and hold a grunge - for me, that kind of works for his character). But why is John so cool about the shooting, and so solely focussed on the lying? Why did Mycroft not have Mary for breakfast after he finds out that she dared to lay hand on his little brother? Why, basically, does Mummy seem to be the only one bothered by the fact that someone shot Sherlock? 
Then again, that might be more a discussion for the individual character threads, because it has more to do with the reactions of the characters then with Mary's actions.

Vhanja wrote:

When did he have to choose between Sherlock and Mary?

At Christmas. 

Lola Red wrote:

I can kind of get why Sherlock would not really hold the shooting against Mary (she did say sorry, and that is what you are supposed to do, so why be "unreasonable" and hold a grunge - for me, that kind of works for his character).

When did she say sorry? Do you mean before shooting him?

besleybean wrote:

I'm assuming so.

You're assuming that she apologized offscreen after shooting Sherlock? Just clarifying. 

besleybean wrote:

No, she apologised on screen.

And then shoots him anyway.

When John forces out his forgiveness in the underground carriage, it feels like it takes him a lot of effort. I also see this effort in his speech at christmas. It took him months to get there, and he struggles with the words. So I feel both is genuine.



I think John just accepts that people like Mary and Sherlock are just the way they are. With their flaws. I don't see ignorance or not-caring, I see acceptance.

And I think their similarities are also the reason why they get along, and why Sherlock forgives Mary. I cannot imagine how Mary comes up to Sherlock and apologizes with flowery words. He wouldn't care for it. Maybe she knows that. I think he takes her apology serious... as soon as he understands the backround, later.


I find it interesting how Sherlock's Mum reacts to Mary. I think she likes her. And not because she belongs to John who belongs to Sherlock. I get a feeling she just thinks Mary is nice. Likeable.

we don't get Mrs. Hudons reaction after the reveal. I'd like to see that.

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Sherlock's Mum? We saw her with a knife, and threatening to act monstrously towards the person who put a bullet in her boy.

Lola Red wrote:

Schmiezi wrote:

Lola Red wrote:

I can kind of get why Sherlock would not really hold the shooting against Mary (she did say sorry, and that is what you are supposed to do, so why be "unreasonable" and hold a grunge - for me, that kind of works for his character).

When did she say sorry? Do you mean before shooting him?

No, directly after shooting him. As so many people claim that she never apologized I am not sure if it is cut from the US version (those I think are a few minutes shorter usually that the BBC version), but it is definitely there in the version I saw. She says: "I'm sorry Sherlock, I truly am."

 
Somehow, I doubt her sincerity, in either case. If she was truly sorry, she wouldn't have shot him in the first place.

Question on whether an apology is acceptable: If someone walked up, slapped you really, really hard in the face, ( for something that wasn't your fault!) and then said to you, " I'm sorry___, I truly am", how seriously would you take that apology? Would you be in a hurry to forgive? Just asking.

What I meant is exactly that: without knowing Marys backstory or that she killed Sherlock (yes, even if it was only for a moment), she seems likeable.

So if we leave that behind, she could be just that - to John, to Sherlock... if the forgiveness is real, there is a person John can still love, and Sherlock can still like.

I'm not saying I would act like that. Just trying to see what Sherlock and John do there.