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Liberty · May 1, 2016 11:04 am

I have somehow missed the hysteria!

If they're all baby Watson, it could just be the baby getting older over time (perhaps in flashbacks and so on).

Nice point about the backs of heads too. It will be interesting to see if that means something. (It also made me think of the picture of Rachel Talalay in Sherlock's chair - I wonder if there's going to be some sort of mistaken identity/disguise thing going on at some point).

I think John and Mary's hairstyles only a little bit similar to the ones in TAB Mary has kept the curls but not the updo, John's looks quite different and younger in style. They're also not terribly similar to the modern day mind palace scenes in TAB. The different colour of John's hair is quite striking, and I'm curious about that.

I'm also interested in ghosts and consequences, but I don't think we're being given enough information to know where that's going at the moment!

Vhanja · May 1, 2016 12:34 pm

I an wondering if the "ghost from the past" could be Redbeard? In whatever form? Or the third brother, if there are one? So, more backstory on Mycroft and Sherlock. I would love that.

tonnaree · May 1, 2016 1:49 pm

Side Note: I think we've avoided hysteria here in our little corner of the internet. I think the "hysteria" comments are about the fandom at large. And if you spend any time on tumblr, there is absolutely some hysteria out there!

Yitzock · May 1, 2016 2:06 pm

Yeah, I think you're right tonnaree. Tumblr is a different climate than what we have here in our nice little community, in some ways.

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Mattlocked · May 1, 2016 2:45 pm

Liberty wrote:
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If they're all baby Watson, it could just be the baby getting older over time (perhaps in flashbacks and so on).
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That's what bothers me. Flashbacks of a four-year-old baby which isn't even born until now? Hm.....

besleybean · May 1, 2016 3:11 pm

If done properly, flashbacks can work effectively.

Yitzock · May 1, 2016 3:25 pm

It could be a flashback, or it could be the opposite - babies grow, so maybe that's what will be seen instead of a flashback. And if they want that to happen in a short span of time in the episode they need babies of different ages.

Liberty · May 1, 2016 3:39 pm

Yes, and alternatively, it might not all be baby Watson (flashbacks to baby Sherlock, etc. - who knows?).

I have been wondering what will happen with the timeline too, as at the moment we're stuck in, what, very early 2015 (end of S3 and TAB) with the baby due fairly soon? If the series doesn't air until early 2017, that leaves plenty of scope for a toddler child, without jumping into the future.

Schmiezi · May 1, 2016 5:59 pm

I'd bet my money on several little non-Watson children playing a role in this episode. They keep showing them to us just to confuse us.

kgreen20 · May 1, 2016 5:59 pm

besleybean wrote:
Well I predict at least a broken John and I for one will be there for him.

A broken John, and possibly a critically injured John, depending on how things develop.

Ivy · May 1, 2016 5:59 pm

kgreen20 · May 1, 2016 6:07 pm

Vhanja wrote:
I an wondering if the "ghost from the past" could be Redbeard? In whatever form? Or the third brother, if there are one? So, more backstory on Mycroft and Sherlock. I would love that.

I would love to see some backstory on John, too! For one thing, what brought on his trust issues? [Hint, hint, Moffat and Gatiss!]

As of now, we know about Sherlock's parents, but we still know absolutely nothing about John's! I think it's time the show let us in on that info. Of course, John's parents can't show up as Sherlock's did, since they're most likely dead, but some flashback sequences and some discussion among the characters about his growing-up years would fill us in.

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besleybean · May 1, 2016 6:10 pm

That could be a PTSD thing tho...
newly back from war, needing counselling.
If you've seen trusted comrades shot in front of you, it may give trust issues.

kgreen20 · May 1, 2016 6:13 pm

Assuming that he didn't already have trust issues when he was first deployed, yes, I can see that. But if he had trust issues before that, then something other than war brought them on. I should like to see the show delve into that, and give us at least some of John's back history as it has Sherlock's.

nakahara · May 1, 2016 9:58 pm

Mattlocked wrote:
One of the points that made me think twice are the babieS.
"It’s not baby Watson, it’s some other baby. Or babies. As Amanda said on twitter, there are many babies, which could be literally true because it takes more than one baby to film one."

I saw some babies in the Setlock pics, but they were all of different ages. So it was not only filming one baby by casting more than one, which is quite usual, indeed, but also younger and older babies.
I wonder what that was all about...

I think that pink-dressed baby is supposed to be Mary´s and John´s daughter, not some other child. Mary lacks the belly she had in HLV, so she gave birth in between. And as it was stated at the beginning of the meta, parents just won´t abandon their newborn for a longer time just like that, so baby strapped to John is probably his. Why would some other parents abandon their baby, so that a weird guy can carry it to crime-scenes? I think it´s obvious, we have Baby Watson on these pics.

As for Molly and Sherlock baby scene, the baby is maybe not identical with Baby Watson. Possibly it´s a baby of Molly´s friends and Sherlock uses it for learning how to be a good uncle? That could also be the role of those other children? Anything is possible...

Mattlocked · May 1, 2016 10:03 pm

nakahara wrote:
I think that pink-dressed baby is supposed to be Mary´s and John´s daughter, not some other child. Mary lacks the belly she had in HLV, so she gave birth in between. And as it was stated at the beginning of the meta, parents just won´t abandon their newborn for a longer time just like that, so baby strapped to John is probably his. Why would some other parents abandon their baby, so that a weird guy can carry it to crime-scenes? I think it´s obvious, we have Baby Watson on these pics.

Yes, I never doubted that.....

It's just several girls of several ages. I assume that Mary and the baby have to leave quite soon, so I was wondering about those "old" childs we've seen on the pics.

nakahara · May 1, 2016 10:04 pm

Hmmm....

besleybean · May 1, 2016 10:06 pm

Interesting last post!
But on the older children...could it be John imagining what would have been, if he hadn't lost her?

nakahara · May 1, 2016 10:07 pm

Mattlocked wrote:
nakahara wrote:
I think that pink-dressed baby is supposed to be Mary´s and John´s daughter, not some other child. Mary lacks the belly she had in HLV, so she gave birth in between. And as it was stated at the beginning of the meta, parents just won´t abandon their newborn for a longer time just like that, so baby strapped to John is probably his. Why would some other parents abandon their baby, so that a weird guy can carry it to crime-scenes? I think it´s obvious, we have Baby Watson on these pics.

Yes, I never doubted that.....

Sorry, that thing above was my response on that meta-quote you cited, not to your question as such.

This Is The Phantom Lady · May 1, 2016 10:11 pm

I am just curious what it all turns out to be in the end...