Vhanja wrote:

Concering the defense of John (a bit over the top language in the last reply of this post, but I do agree with the gist of it):

http://asherlockstudy.tumblr.com/post/137681459552/constantlyfreemaned-mmmaxi

People wish to reduce the show called "Sherlock" to pure John-tale in S4:

http://caitlinisactuallyawritersname.tumblr.com/post/137551691018/oxfordlunch-look-i-want-series-4-to-be-100

but I guess that´s still "not caring for John´s experience and depth" etc.

Of course, once you call a fictional character names, you are also insulting the RL actor who plays him/her... duh.

And here I though that the only people who call John "trash" are his admirers who delight in this part of his personality. I never saw a meta where "John-trash" cliche was not mentioned with some kind of strange fondness and delight....

But what do I know, me, a part of this deathly Cumbercult....
 

Vhanja wrote:

I have, luckily, never seen anyone on this forum title John as "trash" or "trashcan", but I see it frequently on Tumblr. It doesn't sit right with me at all, even though I know it's supposedly a term of endearment. 

I really saw "Trash-John" coming only from people who actually like John. They even had this strange motto of "John Watson is trash, that´s why I like him...." for a while.

People who hate John usually simply state that they hate him.

Vhanja wrote:

But I do not agree with the idea that poor, little Sherlock is being treated like a baby by the horrible John. Not for a second.

Well, that´s true, but it goes both ways - many people are also convinced that poor long-suffering John is a victim of this asshole psychopath Sherlock... can´t help it, I guess.

Some interesting definition of "John-trash":

http://mild-lunacy.tumblr.com/post/112445555124/btw-what-is-trash-how-is-trashjohn-different

Just a note.  I have frequently referred to myself as "johnlock trash."  As in I am all johnlock all the time.  I see it everywhere and I wallow in it happily.  It's just a bit of fun.  Kind of like the saying "You call me bitch like it's a bad thing"?   You turn something negative into a positive. 

Vhanja wrote:

nakahara wrote:

Well, that´s true, but it goes both ways - many people are also convinced that poor long-suffering John is a victim of this asshole psychopath Sherlock... can´t help it, I guess.

Well, to me this has evened itself out. I do think that in S1 John was a bit bullied around by Sherlock. And I do think that in S3 John was sometimes a bit unneccessary angry towards Sherlock. S2 was a better equilibrium for them both. I hope they can get back to it.

Yeah, me, too!
 

@besleybean: Sorry to bring this up again but I got really curious. In which scenes after Mary shot John do you think that John looks happy about being together with Mary?

besleybean wrote:

Well I can't honestly say he looks blissfully happy.
But he could have just waked away from her and didn't.
He's made his choice freely, so I can only assume he wants to.
He chose Mary over anybody else.

Agreed. But staying with someone is not the same as being happy with someone.

I really wonder how John's character will develope during S4.

nakahara wrote:

Vhanja wrote:

But I do not agree with the idea that poor, little Sherlock is being treated like a baby by the horrible John. Not for a second.

Well, that´s true, but it goes both ways - many people are also convinced that poor long-suffering John is a victim of this asshole psychopath Sherlock... can´t help it, I guess.

 
That's what I heard for two years-- but I think that was more Fanon wish- fulfillment John.

This is quite a sad post by yours truly. Wanted to share it, though:

http://gosherlocked.tumblr.com/post/138662419331/john-in-teh-four-steps-of-farewell