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Oh I see.
Sorry, I completely misunderstood you.
Thought it was odd..
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No worries.
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Likewise, always happy to both admit to and apologise for anything I believe I have done wrong.
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This kind of has has something for everyone.
I just wanted to post it somewhere because I like it 
The four types of love in Sherlock
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Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate
ukaunz wrote:
This kind of has has something for everyone.
I just wanted to post it somewhere because I like it
The four types of love in Sherlock
I cast my vote for All of the Above! 
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It's very hard to post against love.
There is a undoubtedly a lot of love in BBC Sherlock.
There is most certainly love between Sherlock and John.
But I am more convinced than ever, that we are never going to see anything more than a loving friendship between these two.
I watched the dvd extras and took notes. A few things stood out to me.
In this context, for me Steven was quite clear that they would never go anywhere ACD wouldn't.
And having read an a ACD biog, it's quite clear that ACD felt sorry for homosexuals, thinking they were ill.
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Oh yes, All of the above, most definitely !
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In this context, for me Steven was quite clear that they would never go anywhere ACD wouldn't.
And having read an a ACD biog, it's quite clear that ACD felt sorry for homosexuals, thinking they were ill.
“You may marry him, or murder or do what you like with him.“ (ACD)
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But they don't want to do it.
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- SusiGo
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How would we know? We do not have any insight into their cunning little heads.
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So besley, you agree with philia, storge and agape, but not erotas in Sherlock, and that's okay. I did say there was something for everyone, it wasn't really meant to be an argument in the debate
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- besleybean
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Oh no argument, dear.
Storge is a new one on me...
Anyhow. I maintain Sherlock and John are in a loving friendship.
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In fact, I think it's possible that's what Moftiss are aiming for with this show: something for everyone, and no confirmation of any one view on the matter. I wouldn't be surprised.
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The word is eros, if you follow Platon.
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... but there may be some new players now. It’s okay. The East Wind takes us all in the end.
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Well they said right at the beginning: they didn't mind people seeing the boys that way, but they hadn't written them that way.
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If the writers did not want us to specifically question this relationship sexually then why in the first episode did so many people that know Sherlock well suggest he was gay and why did they have John write he thought Sherlock might be gay on his first blog post after meeting Sherlock.
The writers themselves set up tjlc from the very Pink beginning.
"Man may not be degraded to being a machine by being denied to be a ghost in the machine."
It's just transport. The virus in the hard drive . However impossible .Must be the truth.
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Indeed. It has been noticed by people from all over the world and series 3 showed an enormous increase in support for this reading of the show.
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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes
"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)
“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)
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The word is eros, if you follow Platon.
I'd never heard of erotas (only eros) but just took the word of the reblogger who said they were Greek. so now I've checked, and this is what Wikipedia says:
Éros (ἔρως érōs) means "love, mostly of the sexual passion."[5] The Modern Greek word "erotas" means "intimate love."
The modern Greek word sounds more specific to me
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I see. But it's a classic greek concept, as described by Plato, and also the correct philosophic term for it 
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... but there may be some new players now. It’s okay. The East Wind takes us all in the end.
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True. It's a shame that the person who made the gif set got it wrong, but I still like the design.
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