kgreen20 wrote:

I am not a Johnlocker, since I will neither read nor write slash.  

And BB said she isn't either. Which is fine. But the writers gave us gobs of chemistry between them from the get-go. They actually dated each other back in the early episodes. then the writers acted all surprised when so many people climbed on the Johnlock bandwagon the way we did, acting all innocent like, "Really? They're just friiiiieeeeends...."

To drag this back on topic, I didn't get much chemistry off this episode at all. I wonder if the show-runners wanted the attraction between Sherlock and John calmed down, to take a huge step back, so the writing and acting both reflected that (and yes, I realize we'll never know one way or the other if that's true). Yes, S/J had some "intimate" scenes wherein they talked about stuff, and there was the silly, obvious, throw-away line about, "Why don't you just elope!"  but I didn't get any waves of chemistry coming off the characters (any of them, come to think of it) at all this time around, not like I have in the past. I missed it.

Liberty wrote:

He'd better be dead.   I'm not going to be happy if they've done a whole episode to confirm that he's dead, only to bring him back.  For goodness sake.

Don't try to give those writers an ultimatum; they will do exactly as they please.  As long as they're having fun with the show and getting congratulated for the cleverness of their writing, they will continue doing things that the fandom hates.

And I do like Moriarty as a villain and think Andrew is great, BUT ... I think he's maybe a little bit overdone.

I think Moriarty was as slimy nasty unlikable as he was in TAB because he only existed in Sherlock's mind, and Sherlock's mind had made him into a caricature of himself--  that actually can happen in RL to anyone who's faced down an enemy, been forced to betray the people they hold most dear in the whole world because of that enemy, and who always have to be watching their backs, looking out for god-knows-who that the enemy might have hired to finish the work after their own death. The enemy can loom larger and be stranger in memory than he ever did in RL.

....... Moriarty's big story was really TRF, but he's been in just about every other episode, one way or another ......

They like Andrew, so I presume that's why they keep hiring him to do new stuff. Just as they like Amanda Abbington, so we'll now be seeing her in every episode as long as Sherlock exists. I doubt we've seen the last of Moriarty's face.

besleybean wrote:

I dunno.
But I saw this episode as the classic, Gothic,Victorian, Christmas ghost story.

Christmas?  Where was Christmas?  I must've missed that, too. Christmas?
 

I mean I thought it was traditional in Victorian times to tell ghost stories at Xmas.

SusiGo wrote:

Vhanja wrote:

Not sure if it's only me, but I felt that Sherlock looked very different on the plane in TAB then he did in HLV. There is something off with his eyes, his skin colour... is it just clever make-up/lighting/acting? When he tears up the list and asks Mycroft to pardon him like a "proper big brother" he doesn't really look like himself at all.

Do we know when the scenes were shot? We know that the cemetery scene was done during the TAB filming, not when shooting HLV. So maybe they did the plane scenes a year ago as well with Benedict wearing a wig. We know there is a wig, Clare has tweeted photos, afaik. 

 

And there I thought they were so clever and filmed the present time scenes together with HLV so that nobody notices any present time shooting during TAB :o
I actually compared the scenes on the plane. Well, they had me fooled. The mood was very different, but I thought Ben looked the same :o

besleybean wrote:

I mean I thought it was traditional in Victorian times to tell ghost stories at Xmas.

I didn't know that, but Dickens' A Christmas Carol is a very famous Christmas ghost story.

As for Hallowe'en, I've always got the impression that it wasn't much of a thing in England until recently (although it was always an event in Scotland and Ireland).  And I think the more recent English traditions have come right over from the US, instead of from Scotland next door (trick or treating instead of guising!).  So yes, it would make sense for a Victorian English ghost story to be set at Christmas, I suppose.

And Mycroft is eating Christmas pudding!
 

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Vhanja wrote:

ancientsgate wrote:

besleybean wrote:

I dunno.
But I saw this episode as the classic, Gothic,Victorian, Christmas ghost story.

Christmas?  Where was Christmas?  I must've missed that, too. Christmas?
 

Well... there was snow in the intro scene? 

Yes. Snow. What sounds like people singing a Christmas carol. John asking the newspapers guy how's the Blue Carbuncle going (and The Blue Carbuncle is a Christmas story), and then that same guy shouts "Merry Christmas, Mr Holmes!"
 

I have no problem thinking of this as a Christmas story.  The whole episode is a bit of
a dream-like gift to fans.

Love that Moriarty is "really" dead.    I also love:
"It's NEVER twins!"    said twice.
Never say never?    Hmmmmmmmm.    Methinks the Sherlock doth protest too much.
Or maybe it's just the drugs talking.


And shall we just ignore that Mary is still a cold hearted murderer?   Yes, let's.  It's Christmas.


 

We know that Mary IS a cold hearted murderer. All the wet jobs, and the freelance ... And we know what working for those agencies include, don't we? They never spared the innocent ...

I think so...
What I did notice was the shaking room obviously being the plane landing...and I also think Sherlock is being the plane landing, as he dives off the falls.
What I keep meaning to say is: well(Liberty particularly!) it does explain why the team are absolutely silent on the commentary, when the tarmac scene is on.
It was SO annoying , I knew there had to be more to it!

@diva...if you scroll back, I have 2 very long posts with all of my other comments!