Just watched the movie at the cinema and I must say it is a fan's welfare and a long trailer of season 4
For those who haven't watched Sherlock before can't get the how marvelous the plot is
In fact, the case itself is too simple but when it links with Moriarty's death , it blows me up 
I am still pondering if watch it twice in the cinema as it seems I miss many important things ( sorry as English is not my mother language though the chinese subtitle has already helped a lot ) , like the elpoe , the REDBREAD etc after reading the 7-page thread
And I love the gentlemen in 221B toss the role of Mrs Hudson again and again .....Mrs Hudson is surely NOT just a plot device of showing people upstair 
 

Somebody asked for a transcript of the conversation between Holmes and Watson - here's a quick one (expect typos and mistakes!).

W: You know it's rare for us to sit together like this.
H: I should hope so.  It's murder on the knees.
W: Two old friends just talking.  Chewing the fat.  Man to man.
So ... a remarkable woman?
H: Who?
W: Lady Carmichael.
H: The fair sex is your department, Watson.  I'll take your word for it.
W: Well, you liked her.  "A woman of rare perception".
H: And admirably high arches.  I noticed them as soon as she stepped into the room.
W: She's far too good for him.
H: You think so?
W: No, you think so.  I could tell.
H: On the contrary, I have no view on the matter.
W: Yes, you have.
H: Marriage is not a subject upon which I dwell.
W: Oh, why not?
H: What's the matter with you this evening?
W: That watch that you're wearing, there's a photograph inside it.  I glimpsed it once.  I believe it is of Irene Adler.  
H: You didn't glimpse it.  You waited until I had fallen asleep and looked at it.
W: Yes, I did.
H: You seriously thought I wouldn't notice?
W: Irene Adler.
H: A formidable opponent.  A remarkable adventure.
W: A very nice photograph.
H: Why are you talking like this?
W: Why are YOU so determined to be alone?
H: Are you quite well, Watson?
W: Is it such a curious question?
H: From a Viennese alienist, no.  From a retired army surgeon, most certainly!
W: Holmes. Against absolutely no opposition whatsoever, I am your closest friend
H: I concede it.
W: I am currently attempting to have a perfectly normal conversation with you.
H: Please don't.
W: Why do you need to be alone?
H: If you are referring to romantic entanglement, Watson, which I rather fear you are, as I have often explained before, all emotion is abhorrent to me.  It is the grit in a sensitive instrument. The crack in the lens.
W: The crack in the lens. Yes.
H: Well, there you are, you see, I've said it all before.
W: No, I wrote all that.  You're quoting yourself from The Strand Magazine.
H: Well, exactly.
W: Those are my words, not yours!  That is the version of you that I present to the public.  The brain without a heart.  The calculating machine. I write all of that, Holmes, and the readers lap it up.  But I do not believe it.
H: Well, I've a good mind to write to your editor.
W: You are a living, breathing man.  You've lived a life.  You have a past.
H: A what?
W: Well, you must have had ...
H: Had what?
W: You know.
H: No.
W: Experiences.
H: Pass me your revolver.  I have a sudden need to use it.
W: Damn it, Holmes, you are flesh and blood, you have feelings, you have ... you must have ... impulses.
H: Dear Lord, I have never been so impatient to be attacked by a murderous ghost.
W: As your friend, as someone who worries about you ... what made you like this?
H: Oh, Watson. Nothing made me. I made me.   
(sound of a dog) Redbeard?

I think there's going to be lots for us to discuss there! 

(And it's nice to have something for those of us who see them as friends rather than lovers). 

besleybean wrote:

Incidentally: fat Mycroft was still super smart, very in control and threatening. He is the brain and Sherlock definitely is the legs and literally half the man that his brother is'.

Yes, I liked that.  Sherlock is dismissive to real life Mycroft, but his mind palace seems to show that he secretly looks up to him (while also feeling envious and inadequate).  I thought this was a really nice view of their relationship.  The drugs list was interesting too - that Sherlock always expects Mycroft to find him, and always wants to be found and safe (or he wouldn't write a list). 

Love the Canonical nods and also those to Private Lives etc..(incidentally, I saw people reference the extras, which you TV people didn't get? Martin talks about his era of Sherlock and more obviously Watson).

I'm a TV person: I'd love to know more about the extras!

Stray observations 2nd viewing: 

Sherlock tells the audience right at the beginning that he needs to to solve an old case to solve a new one, basically telling us the setup of the story (Mofftiss: “We are going to pull the rug from under you. We are telling you we are going to pull the rug, but are you listening?“) 

Who needs Mary's help? Answer: England. Mrs Hudson: “That's not very specific.” It is (Mycroft) (Also: Present time, who needs Sherlock's help? Answer: England) 

Who is on duty in the morgue? Answer: not Anderson, Molly. Always Molly. 

“It's never twins” 

Sherlock is brushing up on his knowledge about the solar system. 

Mycroft as self destructive and willing to die before he looses to Sherlock.

 Mycroft solved the case “in his head” (a family trait?) 

Is Sherlock suspecting that Mary works for Mycroft? (would explain much of his oversight last season) Or does Sherlock simply suspect that Mary is cleverer than Mycroft (I hope not, too Mary-Sue-ish, give Mary the assassin skills if you must, but leave the Sherlock-surpassing brain to Mycroft) 

Mycroft basically asking: “Miss me?” 

Moriarty's body was never recovered. 

Sherlock going on about getting “deeper”, Mycroft telling him he went further than he “intended to” and mentioning the list, but Sherlock is not finished with it yet 

Mrs Hudson “sort of just makes tea” 

The list: “Have you made a list...[of] everything you've taken” 

The agreement between the brothers “ever since that day”. 

Flashback to a boy on a dirty mattress in a puddle of blood, another boy/young man sitting at his side. 

Mycroft: “I was there for you before, I'll we there for you again. I will always be there for you” 

A stage, a little makeup, and there is the perfect illusion. 

Janine. 

“Once she had risen, anyone could be her.” 

What did happened to the corpse? 

“They had someone on the inside. They found a body just like Molly Hooper found a body” 

Moriarty is Sherlock's weakness, there every time he is wrong or weak

 ... but so is John.

John will push anyone off a cliff that suggests John and Sherlock should elope together. 

How does Sherlock survive a fall? 

Falling seems to be just like flying... 

Mycroft “almost hopes” Moriarty is back 

“Like a proper big brother” 

“Dr. Watson. Look after him...please” 

Moriarty is dead, but he's back.

Last edited by Lola Red (January 2, 2016 11:51 am)

Well, yes, that's a huge revelation really - that Mary is openly acting as a secret agent in front of Mycroft: even if she wasn't working for him, it's clear that her identity is no secret to him (and that his knowledge is no secret to HER.  Or to John or Sherlock).   This is probably even more of a confirmation than Sherlock imagining Mary working for Mycroft in his mind palace. 

"What do you think of MI5 security?"
"I think it would be a good idea"

We also now know what Sherlock really thinks of Mary - whatever they do with her in S4, it seems that at this point, he isn't plotting against her.
 

Last edited by Liberty (January 2, 2016 12:21 pm)

I think it is very interesting how differently Mary is presented in the MP and the "reality" scenes. In Sherlock's mind we see her and John quarrelling to the accompaniment of his wedding waltz, she has been abandoned by John for the sake of Sherlock, she (again) patronises Sherlock while he is going out of his way to save her (as in HLV). 

Okay I see my adding everything to my initial post is going to get confusing, so will start responding individually now.
@Vhanja Yes it was me on the control thing!
@Susi: so when Sherlock is shown to be concerned about Mary being in danger(when they head off to the crypt)...does he really care or only know that John would care? I think they share banter, as they do in the flat confrontation scene in HLV. John acknowledges this with his: look at you two, you should have got married. Sherlock's a lot nicer to Mary than he is to John!
We know Mary likes Sherlock, she tells us in TEH!

Last edited by besleybean (January 2, 2016 12:48 pm)

What about the MP graveyard scene? Do you find it funny when John says he is taking Mary home, is not allowed to and has to change it to "Mary is taking me home"? This is how Sherlock sees present-time John in his mind. And the Reichenbach scene is how he wishes John to be, saving him by a hair's breadth, choosing to be with him. 

As an aside: They basically showed us 90 minutes of Freudian digging in Sherlock's soul. And I love it. 

Last edited by SusiGo (January 2, 2016 1:00 pm)

Btw, I think we should open new threads for those discussions...?

The line "Mary is taking me home" didn't sit well with me either. I understand the thought about not being patronized because you are a woman, but Mary's reaction seemed a bit overcompensating. It's like those women who throw a fit because a man dares to keep the door open for her, claiming her "independence". 

Having that said, I personally saw that more as a Moftiss joke, and so I shouldn't read too much into it.

I haven't seen anyone commenting on the cute little scene where Sherlock think John is talking about them when he's talking to Mary. 

Edit: Concerning Mycroft dying - I would say that, literally-wise, if Mycroft were to die, Sherlock would have to soften up to him first. If we in S4 see a Sherlock who is less snappy and defensive towards Mycroft and who actually starts to open up and accept his brother's care - THEN I think we can just as well tick that box off, unfortunately. 

Last edited by Vhanja (January 2, 2016 1:09 pm)