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    November 2, 2015 5:36 pm  #2441

    Magingus
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    Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

    "But I'm not allowed to say because they will kill me."

    I thought she wasn't allowed to say 

     

    November 2, 2015 5:56 pm  #2442

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    Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

    Oh god please...let this be true.

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    November 2, 2015 6:20 pm  #2443

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    Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

    Could be bluff though. The more people on the show hint that she'll die, the more I start to believe she'll live. I'm paranoid, thanks Moffat. 

     

    November 2, 2015 10:54 pm  #2444

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    Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

    silverblaze wrote:

    Could be bluff though. The more people on the show hint that she'll die, the more I start to believe she'll live. I'm paranoid, thanks Moffat. 

     
    As much as it pains me, I have to agree.

     

    November 3, 2015 7:53 am  #2445

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    I keep wondering if they'll keep her alive just to be contrary. 

     

    November 3, 2015 8:13 am  #2446

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    Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

    I doubt that they conform to fandom wishes and opinions when writing their show. 

    And I think we should not insist too much on Mary dying because this could indeed backfire. Tbh, I would prefer her staying alive, at least for a time, as a fearsome villain to dying a victim and John being devastated about it. (Oops, they did talk about devastation in series 4, didn't they?)

     

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    November 3, 2015 5:57 pm  #2447

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    I don't mean contrary in terms of the fandom, but in putting an unexpected interpretation on canon.    They did make quite a thing out of Mary's death being "off screen" and I wonder if they'll use that lack of information creatively (as with assuming that Holmes murdered Milverton).   I agree, it wouild be much more interesting to have her alive as a villain. 

     

    November 3, 2015 7:10 pm  #2448

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    Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

    SusiGo wrote:

    I doubt that they conform to fandom wishes and opinions when writing their show. 

    And I think we should not insist too much on Mary dying because this could indeed backfire. Tbh, I would prefer her staying alive, at least for a time, as a fearsome villain to dying a victim and John being devastated about it. (Oops, they did talk about devastation in series 4, didn't they?)

     

     
    I second the motion Susi.

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    November 3, 2015 8:21 pm  #2449

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    Thirding it!

     

    November 4, 2015 9:47 pm  #2450

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    Fascinating theory about the workings of Mary-style manipulation. Quite plausible:

    http://archipelagoarchaea.tumblr.com/post/131797512453/beth-in-the-middle
     

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    November 4, 2015 9:57 pm  #2451

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    Wow, this is really good. I always found this whole "Beth" thing strange but this explains a lot. And btw, I am still suspicious about "Cath" as well. 

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    "It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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    November 4, 2015 10:01 pm  #2452

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    Yeah, I bet Cath was pure fiction too.

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    November 4, 2015 10:08 pm  #2453

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    Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

    And, strangely enough, she met her just about the time John was kidnapped. 

     

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    November 4, 2015 10:20 pm  #2454

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    Oh, yes. And she is only reachable through the phone, like Beth, and we never see her like we see Janine. Also, isn´t Janine kinda introduced as Mary´s only female friend?

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    November 4, 2015 10:25 pm  #2455

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    Well, she is her chief bridesmaid but they do not exchange a single word in the show if I am not mistaken. Very strange indeed. 

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    "It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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    November 4, 2015 10:38 pm  #2456

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    Weird indeed. 

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    November 5, 2015 6:29 am  #2457

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    Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

    Though Sherlock does highlight that Mary only 'befriended' Janine to gain access to CAM.

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    November 5, 2015 6:50 am  #2458

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    Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

    nakahara wrote:

    Fascinating theory about the workings of Mary-style manipulation. Quite plausible:

    http://archipelagoarchaea.tumblr.com/post/131797512453/beth-in-the-middle
     

     
    BRILLIANT.

     

    November 5, 2015 8:13 am  #2459

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    besleybean wrote:

    Though Sherlock does highlight that Mary only 'befriended' Janine to gain access to CAM.

    Which is quite an interesting thought since it would mean that Mary knew of the Magnussen threat long before the wedding. 
     

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    "It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

    “Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



     
     

    November 5, 2015 6:45 pm  #2460

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    Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

    I never doubted that...well at least from the time of the wedding telegrams!
    I think also hence Sherlock's exasperation with her, the : why didn't you come to me?

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