Random additions to the conversation:

"Why implly homosexuality in S1"   Let us not forget that people have been suggesting certain things about Sherlock and John's relationship since ACD first started writing his stories.  This is not something that Mark and Steven invented.

"I felt made fun of....."    I do think they were making fun, or taking the piss, what ever you want to call it.  However, I felt it was done with an air of affection.  I have been a Geek/Fangirl all my life but even I have to step back occasionally and go, My but isn't this silly.     In other words I think they were laughing with us not at us.

mrshouse wrote:

I was just referring to Vhanja's interpretation that the topic of flatsharing as such raised wondering at all and needed to be addressed.

I know Ben mentions it in one of the Sherlock documentaries/interviews. Something about when two single men of a certain age share a flat, it's bound to raise questions. 

Well, Moftiss refers to it themselves as jokes, and they are the ones who wrote it.

That can be used to argue anything. I personally see it as jokes in the show, it's how it comes across to me.

tonnaree wrote:

I myself have stated before that even if there was no sense of johnlock, the character of Sherlock has always read as gay to me.  In my eyes it's subtle but obvious this is a gay man.

How so? Not saying I disagree with you, just wondering what signs you see that he is gay. 

How he loves this kind of dancing. How perfectly he organises a wedding up to the colour scheme and the flowers while John does not seem to be interested in these things at all. His hand movements in many scenes, especially in TSoT. All his reactions to Janine. 

Well, I am not a gay man but I could imagine that if I was not sexually interested in women at all and would be confronted by a naked woman behaving in a sexually aggressive way I might be slightly uncomfortable/baffled/feeling awkward. 

I'm not thinking about the naked scene. I, as a heterosexual woman, would be shocked and feeling awkward in that scene as well. I'm thinking more about her advances ("have you beg for mercy twice"/"If I were the last person on earth..."). He seems stunned and uncomfortable, not able to come up with the quick and arrogant retort he usually does to anyone who annoys him. When he asks "Where's John?" he sounds and looks almost like a lost child for a small second.

Anyway, this is getting slightly OT, but I've always read those scenes as Sherlock losing his cool and not being sure how to handle Irene the way he usually handles everybody else.

 

Vhanja wrote:

Interesting. I've always figured that Sherlock was at least bi, because he does seem uncomfortable with Irene's direct sexual approach. And considering how easy Sherlock can brush of anyone and anything, if he was gay, I don't see why he wouldn't easily be able to brush of Irene's advances as well. 

In my eyes, it was very clear from the beginning, in fact extremely clear, that Sherlock is, if not outright gay, at least not interested in Irene whatsoever for the following reasons:

-when she appears naked, he only looks at her straight in the eye and NEVER strays to other places in her body, even for one second (by contrast, we see John visibly embarassed when she faces him and trying hard to keep his eyes on her face)

- he bloody takes her measurements?! What straight/bi man manages to be as cold and calculating as that, able to take her measurements, when faced with a completely naked woman - instead of just looking at her/being curious of or enjoying her nakedness??

- even in their most intimate moment, in front of the fire, he is still calculating and cold enough to touch her only to take her pulse (he drops her wrist as soon as he's done that).

I mean... it was so clear to me that he wasn't interested, I never ever thought the opposite.
 

Also, I had another thought today about what Mark said in regards to Sherlock refusing relationships in order to avoid them being used against him.

On Barts' roof, Jim says that if he doesn't kill himself 'every one of your friends will die' (which already proves Mark is wrong, but anyway); then Sherlock mentions all his friends to him?? To Moriarty??? If what Mark says is true, surely he would have gone 'I don't have friends' - granted, it didn't mean Moriarty would believe him, but he would at least have tried, right? Instead he LISTS THEM - the first time I saw that I thought what the hell?? Why would you do that? I was expecting Moriarty to pull out a notebook and make notes to remember who to threaten in the future!! That was so ridiculous.... why tell your enemy exactly who to threaten??? lol.

Anyway, that for me discredits what Mark said even more.