Harriet wrote:

Zatoichi wrote:

I have no idea about Dr. Who, it´s just what I could imagine from his commentaries and interviews about how he sees Mary´s character (the last comment about the lucky baby was from AA I think). He commented about her fitting right in, not disturbing the dynamic, being kick-ass and not being able to stay away from danger, just like John.. so for him everything is fine with her being part of the family.

But you were talking about the Moffat-verse, as you called it. I think that includes way more of his work?
And you seemed sincere in your former post that Mary is fitting in the context of that.

Raven asked in what universe their relationship wouldn´t be broken, and I thought that in Moffat´s head it could look just fine, so I called his head-space Moffat-verse. Sorry for the bad pun that caused misunderstanding.
And yes, I am by now pretty convinced that he likes Mary and fully expected the audience to like her, too..

With all that considered, as much as I´d like it I don´t think there is a secret plan for Mary at the end of S3 - people with a plan act different than Sherlock and John when no one can see them. (I stumbled across a very convincing gif-set yesterday.. I´ll go and look if I can find it again).

Zatoichi wrote:

With all that considered, as much as I´d like it I don´t think there is a secret plan for Mary at the end of S3 - people with a plan act different than Sherlock and John when no one can see them. (I stumbled across a very convincing gif-set yesterday.. I´ll go and look if I can find it again).

I think that this is the meta, Zatoichi:

http://marybegone.tumblr.com/post/128906272486/marybegone-milarvela-john-watson-doesnt

They have a point, I think.

Definitely not (John getting rid of Sherlock).  But I think the writer is correct that he doesn't have a plan. 

tonnaree wrote:

nakahara wrote:

Zatoichi wrote:

With all that considered, as much as I´d like it I don´t think there is a secret plan for Mary at the end of S3 - people with a plan act different than Sherlock and John when no one can see them. (I stumbled across a very convincing gif-set yesterday.. I´ll go and look if I can find it again).

I think that this is the meta, Zatoichi:

http://marybegone.tumblr.com/post/128906272486/marybegone-milarvela-john-watson-doesnt

They have a point, I think.

Interesting.  Some fair points.  

However.
"In fact, it’s much more plausable that John and/or Mary were plotting to get rid of Sherlock." 

I cannot for one second tolorate the suggestion that John would want to get rid of Sherlock.  This flies in the face of everything the show stands for.
 

I don't see that, either. The closest I can come to it is Mary manipulating John into taking actions (without his knowledge of the repurcussions) that might remove Sherlock from the playing field-- and even then, it stretches credibility. Otherwise, I concur-- there are some things in the meta that bear thinking about...

I don't think that those are comparable issues. Marybegone expresses an opinion whereas I would never want to see torture on screen here.

Zatoichi wrote:

I have to say as much as I like continuity and think there can be a shocking plot-twist too many, I think in that case I'd actually prefer them pulling an "Arthur Conan Doyle" again at the beginning of S4.. Them sitting in front of the fire-place in comfortable silence, Sherlock saying "So sorry about that wife of yours..Jane, wasn't it? Too bad she turned out to be on the wrong side after all.." And Johm mumbling something like "hmm.. yeah" in return and none of it will ever be mentioned again.

this might be my favorite solution yet 
 

Me, too! 

Swanpride wrote:

Wait, there is a whole tumble with the title "marybegone"? That is nearly as disturbing as this fanfiction writer who does nothing but torture her in all his stories....

I'm not worried a fictional character will take offence.

But I'm curious - probably 90% of fanfiction writers are female and you're sure it's a man who wrote this?


 

Thank you for clearing this up, Dorothy. I think she has been here on the board once but not for long. 

As for the fanfic author - I still have no idea who this is. The series 3 fanfics I have read often picture Mary as a villain who is rightfully punished for her deeds but I cannot remember any torture. 

 

I understand feeling disturbed, I myself can't read or see literally ANYTHING with even a hint of torture in it - just to give you an idea I walk out the room during the 'flogging' scene in TEH and when Magnussen is flicking John's eye in HLV (ugh, I get shivers just thinking about it).
I really dislike Mary, actually you can go ahead and say that I outright hate her, but I would never want to see her tortured nor I would want to read anything about that either.

This said, though, why criticise/judge? Fics are not like the show, where you have to watch whatever they give you if you want to keep up with the story. Fics are separate stories and we can choose to read them or not. If someone writes something I don't like, I simply don't read it. Yeah, perhaps I wonder how they can like it or why they write it, but in the end I just scroll past or skip to the next one. Who cares about what people write? It's matter of taste.
For example I don't like bondage and hard BSDM stuff and I don't understand how people can like it, but I don't complain that they are there, just ignore them. I don't want to judge people for what they like (within a limit of course - I would never excuse a story that includes pedophilia for example).

As for the tags, I understand how you feel, but unfortunately I think that's something that happens when there is a super popular ship in a fandom and you happen to like one that doesn't have as much following...